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The report calls for pricing to be dynamic based on time/congestion and take into account geography - a straight annual mileage report would not allow for this.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
Dynamic pricing is just a way to justify trackers. The main issue, though, is simply that when people buy an EV they stop paying massive amount of tax on petrol/diesel.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Dynamic pricing is the only way to allocate a resource of fixed supply but hugely variable demand. The alternative of building more and more road is untenable.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    Except this is not an issue and, in any case, not the issue here. Number of cars on the road depends on population at this point an on the housing model. We don't build "more and more roads" just to accommodate an infinitely growing number of cars. This is a mature market, no the 1950s or 1960s. If areas are deemed too congested there are already ways to limit congestion. No, this is a tax income problem caused by EV but they are taking the 'opportunity' to bamboozle us into thinking that trackers and dynamic pricing is required and that there is no alternative.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      > If areas are deemed too congested there are already ways to limit congestion. Such as? I have not seen an alternative to variable rate tools in the US.
      - mytailorisrich 5y ago
        Here in the UK there may be congestion charges to enter certain zones, "Park and ride" schemes, limited and expensive parking space. To install a tracker on every car along with all the infrastructure for handling and billing is calling a nuclear strike on a molehill. Again this is just some interests trying "to load the boat".
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Yes, I can agree these on vehicle trackers are unnecessary, since license plate readers would do the job just as well.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      I don't know why they do it, EVs already transmit all sorts of data that makes spying so much easier. Is it just the creep factor they want to avoid, by making you do the performative act of installing the tracker yourself, and thus "consenting"?
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    dynamic pricing can be trivially done with toll roads. Plenty of countries have toll roads with transponder tags. See, the big problem here is that you could share the transponder with a friends/family/co-workers and that makes spying more difficult. Doubleplusungood. Therefore, we must install it right into your car, preferably at the factory, so you cannot remove it easily to make sure the spying data we get is of the highest quality. They just want to spy on you, and with time control your car remotely, and they'll come up with all sorts of pretzel logic to justify it. Spying. There are no other reasons.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I assume license plate readers are much less work and expense for everyone than transponders. I love Canada’s system. I simply got a bill in the mail in the United States based on my license plate they read, and no need to slow down traffic or deal with toll booths, or get a specific transponder for Canada.

mytailorisrich 5y ago

Dynamic pricing is just a way to justify trackers. The main issue, though, is simply that when people buy an EV they stop paying massive amount of tax on petrol/diesel.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Dynamic pricing is the only way to allocate a resource of fixed supply but hugely variable demand. The alternative of building more and more road is untenable.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  Except this is not an issue and, in any case, not the issue here. Number of cars on the road depends on population at this point an on the housing model. We don't build "more and more roads" just to accommodate an infinitely growing number of cars. This is a mature market, no the 1950s or 1960s. If areas are deemed too congested there are already ways to limit congestion. No, this is a tax income problem caused by EV but they are taking the 'opportunity' to bamboozle us into thinking that trackers and dynamic pricing is required and that there is no alternative.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    > If areas are deemed too congested there are already ways to limit congestion. Such as? I have not seen an alternative to variable rate tools in the US.
    - mytailorisrich 5y ago
      Here in the UK there may be congestion charges to enter certain zones, "Park and ride" schemes, limited and expensive parking space. To install a tracker on every car along with all the infrastructure for handling and billing is calling a nuclear strike on a molehill. Again this is just some interests trying "to load the boat".
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Yes, I can agree these on vehicle trackers are unnecessary, since license plate readers would do the job just as well.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    I don't know why they do it, EVs already transmit all sorts of data that makes spying so much easier. Is it just the creep factor they want to avoid, by making you do the performative act of installing the tracker yourself, and thus "consenting"?
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  dynamic pricing can be trivially done with toll roads. Plenty of countries have toll roads with transponder tags. See, the big problem here is that you could share the transponder with a friends/family/co-workers and that makes spying more difficult. Doubleplusungood. Therefore, we must install it right into your car, preferably at the factory, so you cannot remove it easily to make sure the spying data we get is of the highest quality. They just want to spy on you, and with time control your car remotely, and they'll come up with all sorts of pretzel logic to justify it. Spying. There are no other reasons.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I assume license plate readers are much less work and expense for everyone than transponders. I love Canada’s system. I simply got a bill in the mail in the United States based on my license plate they read, and no need to slow down traffic or deal with toll booths, or get a specific transponder for Canada.