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> If anyone reading doubts this, I can dredge up some examples. In any event, these folks like to focus on differences rather than similarities. There are simil

> If anyone reading doubts this, I can dredge up some examples. In any event, these folks like to focus on differences rather than similarities. There are similarities. Lots of them. Here, PHK says Apple's platform is architected on an economy of surveillance, just like Google's. I must agree with PHK on this one. Could you expand on this? Making such a statement, then not providing a modicum of evidence isn’t the best way to make a point.

1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
Here is a humourous example from today's front page. This person believes iOS offers something that Android does not with respect to turning off permissions. Total nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30342336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30342336 The same sort of phony differentiation could be applied call and messaging surveillance. Apple and Google both collect similarly gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data and store it in enormous datacenters.
- avianlyric 5y ago
  > Apple and Google both collect similarly gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data and store it in enormous datacenters. Again you’re making assertions with zero evidence. Please provide actual citations for Apple collecting “gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data”, not just links to people misunderstanding what features Android provides.
  - 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
    More info on Apple's collection of call data and messaging data: https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-call-data-icloud/ https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-call-data-icloud/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/17/iphones-secretly-send-call-history-to-apple-security-firm-says/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/17/iphones-secretly-send-ca... https://www.macworld.com/article/229163/apple-saves-iphone-call-history-to-icloud-but-barely-mentions-it.html https://www.macworld.com/article/229163/apple-saves-iphone-c... https://fortune.com/2016/11/17/apple-call-data-icloud-elcomsoft/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/17/apple-call-data-icloud-elcoms... https://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/ https://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/ "The zip file contained mostly Excel spreadsheets, packed with information that Apple stores about me. None of the files contained content information -- like text messages and photos -- but they do contain metadata, like when and who I messaged or called on FaceTime." https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-r...
    - avianlyric 5y ago
      Ok apple does call history syncing via iCloud. That doesn’t hold up your claim at all. For your claim to be valid Apple would need to upload the data even if your had iCloud disabled, and would then need to process the data for some purpose unrelated to a product feature you’re using. None of your links indicate that’s happening.

1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago

Here is a humourous example from today's front page. This person believes iOS offers something that Android does not with respect to turning off permissions. Total nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30342336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30342336 The same sort of phony differentiation could be applied call and messaging surveillance. Apple and Google both collect similarly gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data and store it in enormous datacenters.

avianlyric 5y ago
> Apple and Google both collect similarly gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data and store it in enormous datacenters. Again you’re making assertions with zero evidence. Please provide actual citations for Apple collecting “gargantuan amounts of user call and messaging data”, not just links to people misunderstanding what features Android provides.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
  More info on Apple's collection of call data and messaging data: https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-call-data-icloud/ https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-call-data-icloud/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/17/iphones-secretly-send-call-history-to-apple-security-firm-says/ https://theintercept.com/2016/11/17/iphones-secretly-send-ca... https://www.macworld.com/article/229163/apple-saves-iphone-call-history-to-icloud-but-barely-mentions-it.html https://www.macworld.com/article/229163/apple-saves-iphone-c... https://fortune.com/2016/11/17/apple-call-data-icloud-elcomsoft/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/17/apple-call-data-icloud-elcoms... https://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/ https://www.wired.com/2011/04/apple-iphone-tracking/ "The zip file contained mostly Excel spreadsheets, packed with information that Apple stores about me. None of the files contained content information -- like text messages and photos -- but they do contain metadata, like when and who I messaged or called on FaceTime." https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-r...
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    Ok apple does call history syncing via iCloud. That doesn’t hold up your claim at all. For your claim to be valid Apple would need to upload the data even if your had iCloud disabled, and would then need to process the data for some purpose unrelated to a product feature you’re using. None of your links indicate that’s happening.