> I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this... I don’t expect to, this isn’t about wining over or educating the public at la

> I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this... I don’t expect to, this isn’t about wining over or educating the public at large. You would never be able to on a technical issue like this, especially when horrific illegal activity is involved. The issue is knowledgable and informed politicians and agency spinning this rubbish trying to convince the public they can win this, when they know they can’t. They are lying.