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Good point about that guy, I didn't know that, or anything else, about him. Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replac

by Dig1t 5y ago

Good point about that guy, I didn't know that, or anything else, about him. Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. I really don't believe that most of these nice Canadians playing hockey in the street and honking their horns are advocating at all for anything remotely related to Nazism. I mean they are not in an extremely obvious way, they are only talking about and asking for things related to vaccines and they are protesting in a remarkably peaceful way. No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths. Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. My comment was not meant to be pedantic, I don't think its ridiculous to use the term Nazi to refer to someone that espouses ideas like that guy. I think its a misrepresentation to classify this entire thing and all the people donating to it as Nazis. Maybe there is some overlap in the types of people who would donate to something like this, but there are also a ton of completely valid other reasons to support these people or take an interest in their cause and dismissing all of them as Nazis is just wrong in my opinion.

elsonrodriguez 5y ago
> Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. Pat King had 50,000 followers on social media and helped organize this convoy. Surely some of these thousands of followers agreed with his message, and surely many of those showed up, along with other white nationalist sympathizers. I agree that most people are ignorant this aspect of the convoy, and most people on the ground would not agree with his racist views, but I want to highlight that the number of white supremacists showing up to a convoy organized by a white supremacist would not be a trivial number. > No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths It has been fairly peaceful in terms of physical harm, but there has been one fire set in a residential building with fireworks, and the arsonists taped the front doors shut. There have been a few assault arrests as well. While I'm not sure anyone has been arrested for gun charges, I'd be willing to be money on long haul truckers keeping firearms nearby. Hopefully things stay peaceful during the looming counter-protests. > Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. The organizer of the original GoFundMe that got cancelled, Tamara Lich, was one of the original members of the Maverick party. This party is a proponent of breaking off western Canada into its own nation. Organizing a blockade at Canada's capitol while collecting millions of dollars lays good groundwork for future separatist plans. This has bloodied the waters, and on a lighter note, the "Queen of Canada" has shown up to reaffirm that Justin's government isn't legitimate. https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 While there's no way this person is going to actually overthrow the government, she kind of wants to, and so do the dozens of fringe supporters you hear cheering her on during her speech. So I guess in summary while it isn't a Nazi rally, there be nazis, and while they aren't literally attempting to overthrow the government, there be overthrowers.
jat850 5y ago
edit After consideration and with regret, I am not that comfortable having political views represented so openly in a very public space. Not a retraction of my position but the issue of permanence is a massive privacy concern for me over a subject this sensitive and contentious. Sorry if this breaks thread flow.
- danielvaughn 5y ago
  If you were to walk around Ottawa and ask random protestors whether they’re aware of the document and what it states, how many do you think would know? I’ve listened to quite a few interviews with them and have not heard one mention of this document. If the people protesting aren’t aware of it, then it isn’t significant.
  - jat850 5y ago
    I would venture to say almost none and that's exactly what bothers me about it. If they did know about it, do you think they would be comfortable realizing they're in the position of being a negotiating tool to achieve this political end?

by Dig1t 5y ago

elsonrodriguez 5y ago

> Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. Pat King had 50,000 followers on social media and helped organize this convoy. Surely some of these thousands of followers agreed with his message, and surely many of those showed up, along with other white nationalist sympathizers. I agree that most people are ignorant this aspect of the convoy, and most people on the ground would not agree with his racist views, but I want to highlight that the number of white supremacists showing up to a convoy organized by a white supremacist would not be a trivial number. > No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths It has been fairly peaceful in terms of physical harm, but there has been one fire set in a residential building with fireworks, and the arsonists taped the front doors shut. There have been a few assault arrests as well. While I'm not sure anyone has been arrested for gun charges, I'd be willing to be money on long haul truckers keeping firearms nearby. Hopefully things stay peaceful during the looming counter-protests. > Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. The organizer of the original GoFundMe that got cancelled, Tamara Lich, was one of the original members of the Maverick party. This party is a proponent of breaking off western Canada into its own nation. Organizing a blockade at Canada's capitol while collecting millions of dollars lays good groundwork for future separatist plans. This has bloodied the waters, and on a lighter note, the "Queen of Canada" has shown up to reaffirm that Justin's government isn't legitimate. https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 While there's no way this person is going to actually overthrow the government, she kind of wants to, and so do the dozens of fringe supporters you hear cheering her on during her speech. So I guess in summary while it isn't a Nazi rally, there be nazis, and while they aren't literally attempting to overthrow the government, there be overthrowers.

jat850 5y ago

edit After consideration and with regret, I am not that comfortable having political views represented so openly in a very public space. Not a retraction of my position but the issue of permanence is a massive privacy concern for me over a subject this sensitive and contentious. Sorry if this breaks thread flow.

danielvaughn 5y ago
If you were to walk around Ottawa and ask random protestors whether they’re aware of the document and what it states, how many do you think would know? I’ve listened to quite a few interviews with them and have not heard one mention of this document. If the people protesting aren’t aware of it, then it isn’t significant.
- jat850 5y ago
  I would venture to say almost none and that's exactly what bothers me about it. If they did know about it, do you think they would be comfortable realizing they're in the position of being a negotiating tool to achieve this political end?