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Pat King is one of the coordinators of this GiveSendGo campaign, per Google Cache. Pat King is on record saying there is a plot to depopulate white people beca

Pat King is one of the coordinators of this GiveSendGo campaign, per Google Cache. Pat King is on record saying there is a plot to depopulate white people because they have the "strongest bloodline". https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729 https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729 Folks can be pedantic about him not being an actual Nazi, what without the snazzy uniform and all, but he is a white supremacist. Not everybody throwing money at this campaign will be of the same mentality, but enough of them will be to warrant further investigation, and while that investigation should be more formal than this hacktivism, I shed zero tears at the thought of every dollar stripped from whatever goal this white supremacist has in mind.

chrismcb 5y ago
More formal investigation into what? That sounds tyrannical to me.
freedomgranny 5y ago
I certainly do not concur with any ideology based on hate but we cannot lose our right to free speech in this country, regardless of what that speech is. Regardless of what some people think, we have no Arbiter of Truth in this country and all of us should pray that we never do. Group think is dangerous. If that was the prevailing belief in 1776, we wouldn't be a country. If people in the 1960s had the same belief, Dr. King's movement would have been crushed. Think, people.
jagger27 5y ago
It’s seriously “mind boggling” that those in support of this movement conveniently look past the extreme far right organizers and tolerated participants in for the ride.
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- hihihihi1234 5y ago
  The founders of BLM are far-left extremists ("trained Marxists", abolish capitalism, dismantle the nuclear family etc., it's not like their agenda is a secret.) Does it boggle your mind that many people who support BLM and believe that black lives matter aren't literal communists like that movement's leaders? People can support the general goals of a protest without being fully on board with the entire agenda of everyone involved.
- refurb 5y ago
  The BLM fundraising will no doubt turn out to be a massive fraud. Even CA is investigating the non-profit and where money went. And there were some massive corporate donations in there. https://news.yahoo.com/california-doj-targets-leaderless-blm-160200500.html https://news.yahoo.com/california-doj-targets-leaderless-blm... Pretty sure it would be unfair to dismiss the entire movement over the obvious massive corruption of its leaders.
larryflint 5y ago
So one persons views implies everyones views? Also, so what? Is it against the law to have views. As long as his actions don't break the law, the freedom to think for yourself is paramount. Maybe he has reasons for his views that are compelling. Maybe he has life experiences that informed and shaped his views that are logical. Dismissal is lazy and stupid.
Dig1t 5y ago
Good point about that guy, I didn't know that, or anything else, about him. Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. I really don't believe that most of these nice Canadians playing hockey in the street and honking their horns are advocating at all for anything remotely related to Nazism. I mean they are not in an extremely obvious way, they are only talking about and asking for things related to vaccines and they are protesting in a remarkably peaceful way. No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths. Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. My comment was not meant to be pedantic, I don't think its ridiculous to use the term Nazi to refer to someone that espouses ideas like that guy. I think its a misrepresentation to classify this entire thing and all the people donating to it as Nazis. Maybe there is some overlap in the types of people who would donate to something like this, but there are also a ton of completely valid other reasons to support these people or take an interest in their cause and dismissing all of them as Nazis is just wrong in my opinion.
- elsonrodriguez 5y ago
  > Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. Pat King had 50,000 followers on social media and helped organize this convoy. Surely some of these thousands of followers agreed with his message, and surely many of those showed up, along with other white nationalist sympathizers. I agree that most people are ignorant this aspect of the convoy, and most people on the ground would not agree with his racist views, but I want to highlight that the number of white supremacists showing up to a convoy organized by a white supremacist would not be a trivial number. > No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths It has been fairly peaceful in terms of physical harm, but there has been one fire set in a residential building with fireworks, and the arsonists taped the front doors shut. There have been a few assault arrests as well. While I'm not sure anyone has been arrested for gun charges, I'd be willing to be money on long haul truckers keeping firearms nearby. Hopefully things stay peaceful during the looming counter-protests. > Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. The organizer of the original GoFundMe that got cancelled, Tamara Lich, was one of the original members of the Maverick party. This party is a proponent of breaking off western Canada into its own nation. Organizing a blockade at Canada's capitol while collecting millions of dollars lays good groundwork for future separatist plans. This has bloodied the waters, and on a lighter note, the "Queen of Canada" has shown up to reaffirm that Justin's government isn't legitimate. https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 While there's no way this person is going to actually overthrow the government, she kind of wants to, and so do the dozens of fringe supporters you hear cheering her on during her speech. So I guess in summary while it isn't a Nazi rally, there be nazis, and while they aren't literally attempting to overthrow the government, there be overthrowers.
danielvaughn 5y ago
If we were to look through a list of people who organized donations to BLM, and found some radical black separatists, would/should that have changed our opinion of the protests? Seems disingenuous.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Of course not, but when people are opportunist they don't think it is wrong when they do it only other people. There is always groups willing to play the victim card too. So if you call out a fallacy in their argument, but they associate themselves with a group such as BLM then they will just claim you're racist. People should evaluate individuals as a whole but a lot of people want to hear someone get called a racist or Nazi without any context and then have a mob attack them. The ironic part is that they were just projecting and then mob ends up becoming what they claim to be against.
coolso 5y ago
- beebmam 5y ago
  Isn't this a whataboutist argument? It's a logical fallacy
  - refurb 5y ago
    Comparing two similar situations that are treated differently isn’t a whataboutism.
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prohobo 5y ago
What I'm going to say is controversial (of course), but it's mostly true: Pat King is a poor uneducated white person, and his misguided views are a product of his difficulties in life. Obviously his own morality and ethics play into it, but the crux of the matter is that we understand why people have beliefs like this, and how to resolve the problem. See the efforts of Daryl Davis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis Daryl realized that most members of the KKK are down on their luck people who've been abused by the system for most of their lives. These people tend to look for scapegoats that they can rally their anger against. They have legitimate grievances that they channel into illegitimate beliefs, because of various failures of reasoning. These are not highly educated and powerful people with agendas. The same kind of issues can be attributed to most anyone in a chronically bad situation. It's about as much of a "gotcha" as attacking incels for being inept, frustrated, and lonely. Well, yeah. That's why many people "overlook" things like this. Not because they agree with the sentiments that people like Pat King express, but because they understand three things: 1) The convoy protest isn't about Pat King's racist paranoia. It happens to be about a real problem that disenfranchises people. If anything, that could help people like Pat let go of their racist beliefs by realizing it's not just them with the problems. 2) Pat King is in no position to manifest his paranoid beliefs. 3) As condescending as it may be, poor and disenfranchised people tend to have problematic beliefs and behaviors; that doesn't mean they should be exiled. Otherwise, we'd wrongfully criminalize the homeless, drug addicted, and the mentally ill - which we often do, actually. So, painting the convoy movement as fundamentally racist because you found out that there are vulnerable people involved is disingenuous and does nothing to solve the real issues that caused it. We all know what the goal of the convoy is: to drop the covid mandates. That said, the convoy does lose it's legitimacy by not addressing the problem of people like Pat King, even as a propaganda smear. What I've just said is probably the gist of what they're thinking about it, but they haven't articulated this in public. However, I've heard them arguing about this on their Zello channel and from what I've heard they want to remove Pat King and are strongly against any racist sentiments.
- donmcronald 5y ago
  > Daryl realized that most members of the KKK are down on their luck people who've been abused by the system for most of their lives. These people tend to look for scapegoats that they can rally their anger against. They have legitimate grievances that they channel into illegitimate beliefs, because of various failures of reasoning. These are not highly educated and powerful people with agendas. I’ll take a pass on the political stuff, but this is similar to what Michael Moore was saying prior to the 2016 elections in the US. Paraphrasing, he said we were about to see how many upset, middle aged, white people feel like they’ve been disenfranchised because a lot of them would vote for Trump with the sentiment that if no one is trying to fix the system for them they figure it might as well be broken for everyone. That was the first time I realized Trump might get elected. I understand the sentiment, but breaking the system completely will just make things worse for those people. Wealthy people can capitalize on instability. Poor people can’t.

chrismcb 5y ago

More formal investigation into what? That sounds tyrannical to me.

freedomgranny 5y ago

I certainly do not concur with any ideology based on hate but we cannot lose our right to free speech in this country, regardless of what that speech is. Regardless of what some people think, we have no Arbiter of Truth in this country and all of us should pray that we never do. Group think is dangerous. If that was the prevailing belief in 1776, we wouldn't be a country. If people in the 1960s had the same belief, Dr. King's movement would have been crushed. Think, people.

jagger27 5y ago

It’s seriously “mind boggling” that those in support of this movement conveniently look past the extreme far right organizers and tolerated participants in for the ride.

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hihihihi1234 5y ago
The founders of BLM are far-left extremists ("trained Marxists", abolish capitalism, dismantle the nuclear family etc., it's not like their agenda is a secret.) Does it boggle your mind that many people who support BLM and believe that black lives matter aren't literal communists like that movement's leaders? People can support the general goals of a protest without being fully on board with the entire agenda of everyone involved.
refurb 5y ago
The BLM fundraising will no doubt turn out to be a massive fraud. Even CA is investigating the non-profit and where money went. And there were some massive corporate donations in there. https://news.yahoo.com/california-doj-targets-leaderless-blm-160200500.html https://news.yahoo.com/california-doj-targets-leaderless-blm... Pretty sure it would be unfair to dismiss the entire movement over the obvious massive corruption of its leaders.

larryflint 5y ago

So one persons views implies everyones views? Also, so what? Is it against the law to have views. As long as his actions don't break the law, the freedom to think for yourself is paramount. Maybe he has reasons for his views that are compelling. Maybe he has life experiences that informed and shaped his views that are logical. Dismissal is lazy and stupid.

Dig1t 5y ago

Good point about that guy, I didn't know that, or anything else, about him. Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. I really don't believe that most of these nice Canadians playing hockey in the street and honking their horns are advocating at all for anything remotely related to Nazism. I mean they are not in an extremely obvious way, they are only talking about and asking for things related to vaccines and they are protesting in a remarkably peaceful way. No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths. Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. My comment was not meant to be pedantic, I don't think its ridiculous to use the term Nazi to refer to someone that espouses ideas like that guy. I think its a misrepresentation to classify this entire thing and all the people donating to it as Nazis. Maybe there is some overlap in the types of people who would donate to something like this, but there are also a ton of completely valid other reasons to support these people or take an interest in their cause and dismissing all of them as Nazis is just wrong in my opinion.

elsonrodriguez 5y ago
> Obviously he's nuts and I don't think most people agree with him WRT the dumb replacement theory thing. Pat King had 50,000 followers on social media and helped organize this convoy. Surely some of these thousands of followers agreed with his message, and surely many of those showed up, along with other white nationalist sympathizers. I agree that most people are ignorant this aspect of the convoy, and most people on the ground would not agree with his racist views, but I want to highlight that the number of white supremacists showing up to a convoy organized by a white supremacist would not be a trivial number. > No guns, no fires, no looting, no deaths It has been fairly peaceful in terms of physical harm, but there has been one fire set in a residential building with fireworks, and the arsonists taped the front doors shut. There have been a few assault arrests as well. While I'm not sure anyone has been arrested for gun charges, I'd be willing to be money on long haul truckers keeping firearms nearby. Hopefully things stay peaceful during the looming counter-protests. > Yet they are being demonized as if they are literally attempting to overthrow the government. The organizer of the original GoFundMe that got cancelled, Tamara Lich, was one of the original members of the Maverick party. This party is a proponent of breaking off western Canada into its own nation. Organizing a blockade at Canada's capitol while collecting millions of dollars lays good groundwork for future separatist plans. This has bloodied the waters, and on a lighter note, the "Queen of Canada" has shown up to reaffirm that Justin's government isn't legitimate. https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1489326612139151369 While there's no way this person is going to actually overthrow the government, she kind of wants to, and so do the dozens of fringe supporters you hear cheering her on during her speech. So I guess in summary while it isn't a Nazi rally, there be nazis, and while they aren't literally attempting to overthrow the government, there be overthrowers.

danielvaughn 5y ago

If we were to look through a list of people who organized donations to BLM, and found some radical black separatists, would/should that have changed our opinion of the protests? Seems disingenuous.

encryptluks2 5y ago
Of course not, but when people are opportunist they don't think it is wrong when they do it only other people. There is always groups willing to play the victim card too. So if you call out a fallacy in their argument, but they associate themselves with a group such as BLM then they will just claim you're racist. People should evaluate individuals as a whole but a lot of people want to hear someone get called a racist or Nazi without any context and then have a mob attack them. The ironic part is that they were just projecting and then mob ends up becoming what they claim to be against.

coolso 5y ago

beebmam 5y ago
Isn't this a whataboutist argument? It's a logical fallacy
- refurb 5y ago
  Comparing two similar situations that are treated differently isn’t a whataboutism.
- coolso 5y ago
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prohobo 5y ago

What I'm going to say is controversial (of course), but it's mostly true: Pat King is a poor uneducated white person, and his misguided views are a product of his difficulties in life. Obviously his own morality and ethics play into it, but the crux of the matter is that we understand why people have beliefs like this, and how to resolve the problem. See the efforts of Daryl Davis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis Daryl realized that most members of the KKK are down on their luck people who've been abused by the system for most of their lives. These people tend to look for scapegoats that they can rally their anger against. They have legitimate grievances that they channel into illegitimate beliefs, because of various failures of reasoning. These are not highly educated and powerful people with agendas. The same kind of issues can be attributed to most anyone in a chronically bad situation. It's about as much of a "gotcha" as attacking incels for being inept, frustrated, and lonely. Well, yeah. That's why many people "overlook" things like this. Not because they agree with the sentiments that people like Pat King express, but because they understand three things: 1) The convoy protest isn't about Pat King's racist paranoia. It happens to be about a real problem that disenfranchises people. If anything, that could help people like Pat let go of their racist beliefs by realizing it's not just them with the problems. 2) Pat King is in no position to manifest his paranoid beliefs. 3) As condescending as it may be, poor and disenfranchised people tend to have problematic beliefs and behaviors; that doesn't mean they should be exiled. Otherwise, we'd wrongfully criminalize the homeless, drug addicted, and the mentally ill - which we often do, actually. So, painting the convoy movement as fundamentally racist because you found out that there are vulnerable people involved is disingenuous and does nothing to solve the real issues that caused it. We all know what the goal of the convoy is: to drop the covid mandates. That said, the convoy does lose it's legitimacy by not addressing the problem of people like Pat King, even as a propaganda smear. What I've just said is probably the gist of what they're thinking about it, but they haven't articulated this in public. However, I've heard them arguing about this on their Zello channel and from what I've heard they want to remove Pat King and are strongly against any racist sentiments.

donmcronald 5y ago
> Daryl realized that most members of the KKK are down on their luck people who've been abused by the system for most of their lives. These people tend to look for scapegoats that they can rally their anger against. They have legitimate grievances that they channel into illegitimate beliefs, because of various failures of reasoning. These are not highly educated and powerful people with agendas. I’ll take a pass on the political stuff, but this is similar to what Michael Moore was saying prior to the 2016 elections in the US. Paraphrasing, he said we were about to see how many upset, middle aged, white people feel like they’ve been disenfranchised because a lot of them would vote for Trump with the sentiment that if no one is trying to fix the system for them they figure it might as well be broken for everyone. That was the first time I realized Trump might get elected. I understand the sentiment, but breaking the system completely will just make things worse for those people. Wealthy people can capitalize on instability. Poor people can’t.