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They also took a dump of all donors info and are only offering it to journalists and researchers.. https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/GiveSendGo_Freedom_Convoy_donor_i

• ZoF 5y ago
• cloutchaser 5y ago
  Add this to the list of how hard it is to break the Silicon Valley (and their political allies) hegemony. Not only do you have AWS, App Store bans, email provider bans (mail chimp banned babylonbee for a while although claimed it was algorithmic), you also have to contend with building a product that is going to be attacked by hackers the second you are moderately successful. The only fair player I can see in this is cloudflare, at least they have some sort of principle of being an infrastructure provider and not siding with a certain political side.
  • lettergram 5y ago
    You sure about cloudflare? https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-calls-for-a-system-to-regulate-hateful-internet-content/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-calls-for-a...
    • cloutchaser 5y ago
      I am aware of this one and I think it’s an interesting case. I think 99% of people wouldn’t have an issue with this and stormfront probably does have people actually breaking the law. I also think it’s interesting how prince basically said - this is the ceo making a personal decision in the shower. That honesty was good, and at least it showed that prince was torn about it and admitted this is very hard and he will try and be an infrastructure provider in the future. This is much better than the coordinated attack of a faceless bureaucracy of tech companies like with Parler
      • Ekaros 5y ago
        What I really hope is that we torn down 230 protection with these decisions. You stop providing service based on choice. You are fully responsible for everything else. Make it fair free market to play. No more discrimination on anything. Only court orders to take down stuff.
        • FDSGSG 5y ago
          You understand that you're arguing against the existence of moderated forums like HN, right? Why do you believe that it should be made impractical for sites like HN to exist?
          • Ekaros 5y ago
            Small price to pay. Sometimes we have to accept some losses for freedom.
            • FDSGSG 5y ago
              "Some losses". You're essentially advocating for ending all moderation on the internet. No more forums, no more IRC networks, no more facebook groups or subreddits either. I guess that'll also kill or heavily cripple much of multiplayer gaming. I guess everybody needs to learn to be okay with spam too? What's the big win here? You can already run your own censorship-free sites without forcing your shit down everybody elses throats. Turns out, most people don't want that.
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              • 0des 5y ago
                Moderation of a public forum is censorship
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• rvz 5y ago
  > I'm starting to see who the bad guys really are here.. There you go. Everything they don’t like is a Nazi and yet they are behaving like them and banning, breaching other people’s websites and anything that runs and crawls to this. It’s quite predictable, repetitive and boring to the point that the word has lost its meaning. If GoFundMe was hacked, they would say that ‘it is a threat to our democracy’. I and many others would not like that to happen and hacking any service they don’t like is quite what an extremist would do. You can tell whoever did it, is not on anyone’s side here. They can do it to anyone, even to companies like GoDaddy [0], which I’m sure when they got breached there were celebrations that the hackers really got the bad guys and everyone was happy with the whole situation. /s [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306554
  • encryptluks2 5y ago
    The term Nazi has just become defacto word used to censor people cause of the emotional reaction people have been brainwashed into exhibiting when they hear it.
• elsonrodriguez 5y ago
  Pat King is one of the coordinators of this GiveSendGo campaign, per Google Cache. Pat King is on record saying there is a plot to depopulate white people because they have the "strongest bloodline". https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729 https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729 Folks can be pedantic about him not being an actual Nazi, what without the snazzy uniform and all, but he is a white supremacist. Not everybody throwing money at this campaign will be of the same mentality, but enough of them will be to warrant further investigation, and while that investigation should be more formal than this hacktivism, I shed zero tears at the thought of every dollar stripped from whatever goal this white supremacist has in mind.
  • chrismcb 5y ago
    More formal investigation into what? That sounds tyrannical to me.
  • freedomgranny 5y ago
    I certainly do not concur with any ideology based on hate but we cannot lose our right to free speech in this country, regardless of what that speech is. Regardless of what some people think, we have no Arbiter of Truth in this country and all of us should pray that we never do. Group think is dangerous. If that was the prevailing belief in 1776, we wouldn't be a country. If people in the 1960s had the same belief, Dr. King's movement would have been crushed. Think, people.
  • jagger27 5y ago
    It’s seriously “mind boggling” that those in support of this movement conveniently look past the extreme far right organizers and tolerated participants in for the ride.
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• bArray 5y ago
  > They also took a dump of all donors info and are only offering it to journalists and researchers It's crime in the name of politics. Note how most of the 'leaks' (hacks) on their main page are against a specific perceived political leaning [1]. This will not just affect the freedom convoy, but also the company, the other campaigns they host there, the livelihoods and safety of those who donated to the freedom convoy, and countless other casualties. Having a board of advisors that they selected, but do not have to listen to, does not mean they are acting ethically [2]. > I can't believe the number of people celebrating this, its absolutely crazy to me. CNN analyst Juliette Kayyem [3] tweeted [4]: "The convoy protest, applauded by right wing media as a "freedom protest," is an economic and security issue now. The Ambassador Bridge link constitutes 28% of annual trade movement between US and Canada. Slash the tires, empty gas tanks, arrest the drivers, and move the trucks" The irony is, these people who are celebrating the hacks that target working class truckers, will also be the most affected in their isolated concrete fortresses, if they were to lose their jobs. The food won't deliver itself to the city. They clearly preferred the truckers when they were seen but not heard. > So many people liberally throwing around the word "nazi" and calling this an insurrection, just completely boggles the mind. Hopefully more people question "official media authorities", the framing bias on this story has simply been insane. The past 2/3 years has been a large social experiment in media-based manipulation. Name a single government that has not exerted pressure to affect the publication of materials related to COVID. [1] https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Distributed_Denial_of_Secrets https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Distributed_Denial_of_Secrets [2] https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_Kayyem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_Kayyem [4] https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/1491757167308902405 https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/149175716730890240...
• RayRayRah 5y ago
  Go to /r/ottawa. Read the megathreads on what's going on. Maybe you'll start to understand why many are celebrating this hack. Why so many Ottawans are very angry about what's going on. There's been non-stop noise at all hours. Residents downtown who've faced constant harassment. Attempts made by the occupiers to lock residents in. Businesses forced to shut. Roadways and highways blocked for days. They're terrorizing the residents of downtown. And in the face of all of this, the police have essentially surrendered. They're calling for Trudeau to be overthrown and arrested. They're not only occupying the center of the capital, they spent 6 days blocking the most important economic transport line in Canada. They've blockaded border points in the West too. Closing some essential crossings. If this was a poor, developing nation, you'd be labeling this as an insurrection. And you'd be correct. And about the nazi thing, yeah, that's probably an accurate label. Many of the leadership are white supremacists. The connections to far right groups are clear. Hell, there's many of these idiots carrying Confederate flags in Canada of all places. If you're proudly waving the Confederate flag in 2022 in a place that's far far from the South, I think it's pretty clear what you support. And on top of all that, there's clear evidence much of this was engineered by people in the United States. From the near constant Trump flags flown in the occupation, to the trail of money, to the organizational efforts spearheaded by Americans. Not to mention the organization done in FB groups led by hacked accounts.* There was some serious effort put into this. The fundraising hack will give a little sunlight into those efforts. Not enough sunlight, but it's a start. Seriously, start reading about what the people of Ottawa have endured for the past 3 weeks. You apparently have no knowledge of this. Get back to me and tell me "who the bad guys really are here." * - And do look into the weirdness of the FB organizing. Some Canadian journalists have dug into it. They wondered why the more popular Canadian trucker FB groups had a woman from Missouri as the only admin. And then they discovered the woman from Missouri hasn't been in control of her account for several months now. https://www.grid.news/story/misinformation/2022/02/08/the-hacked-account-and-suspicious-donations-behind-the-canadian-trucker-protests/ https://www.grid.news/story/misinformation/2022/02/08/the-ha...
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• altairprime 5y ago
  Aren’t donations to political causes required to be public record in the United States? Or, is that only for donations candidates but not to causes? I also assume that the funding site is required to turn over this data to CSIS anyways, unless they actively ensure that only Canadians are being permitted to donate. Otherwise they risk being treated as an enemy of the Canadian state for ‘clandestine’ foreign interference in Canada’s interests, as keeping that list secret from CSIS while accepting foreign (non-Canadian) donations would exempt them from the political protest protections in the CSIS act, and expose themselves to risk of extradition to Canada.
  • inter_netuser 5y ago
    Well, Canadian NGOs can legally receive donations globally. It's not a political party or a candidate, but an NGO. e.g. would Americans donating to Amnesty International in Canada be considered an act of political interference? Seems like a stretch. People donate to charities of their choosing globally all the time, in fact, quite often to NGOs/charities that disagee with their local governments on quite a few things. What is the CSIS act, and it's "political protest protections"? Seems really weird, you'd expect the fundamental right to protest in a democracy would be constitutionally enshrined, rather than "protected" under some law. This right is presumed, and the constitution simply recognizes its existence, but maybe in monarchies this is different, and rights are bestowed on the subjects by the monarch? It seems to me, that if you need a law to "protect" the right to protest, you might be living in a country that isn't quite a democracy.
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    • altairprime 5y ago
      All democracies aren’t quite a democracy, by your logic, which is certainly accurate enough. All democracies must protect against foreign interference (PsyOps) in domestic politics and protests, and such protection runs directly counter to the right of non-violent dissidence; thus, by abrogating individual rights to any degree whatsoever through laws, tolerances, and actions, every country can be said not be “not quite a democracy” on a long enough timescale. However, the degree to which each democracy tolerates and shields nonviolent dissidence versus the interests of the country itself varies wildly per country, both in degree and substance. Canada is no exception, encoding its protections of that intersection into the CSIS act. If you’d like to learn more about CSIS, these links are a good first step towards understanding how Canada’s laws govern foreign interference and how and when they protect domestic rights: https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corporate/espionage-and-foreign-interference.html https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo... https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-23/ https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-23/
• donmcronald 5y ago
  I won’t cheer on the hack or data leak because I think you’ll have well meaning people that are just frustrated caught up in the controversy, but I’m not overly sympathetic to anyone involved. I think it would be better if no one donated to polarizing causes, especially anything where people are asking for a democratically elected government to step down. As for the company, it’s obvious they’re going to draw a ton of attention by using a controversial political event as a marketing tool. If they can’t even bother to secure their S3 buckets (unrelated to this) before ruffling a bunch of feathers, why should we feel bad for them? It’s not some innocent site that got hacked and had their business ruined. They’re trying to claim they’re a neutral platform, but there’s no such thing in politics. They’re taking a calculated risk by trying to benefit from the controversy and they got burned. Tough luck IMO. The only true political neutrality if you’re running a platform is a total ban on everything political.