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What the heck are the “rules of the web”? Only valueless information is allowed to be indexed? Are you offended that when you search for a book on Amazon you h

by wrs 5y ago

What the heck are the “rules of the web”? Only valueless information is allowed to be indexed? Are you offended that when you search for a book on Amazon you have to pay to read the whole thing?

dfee 5y ago
> Are you offended that when you search for a book on Amazon you have to pay to read the whole thing? You don’t. ;) And, those are the rules of the web.
- dfee 5y ago
  Don’t understand the downvotes. There are legal ways to read books (https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby/ https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby/) and the ability to straight up not read the books but read summaries instead. The internet has provided this free flow of ideas and repackaging of thoughts. There are also ways to read books that circumvent copyright, but in the spirit of this discussion, that’s not necessary to dive into.
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rhinoceraptor 5y ago
It's a bait and switch. They give the search engines full text to crawl, and then nothing when a user clicks that link from their search. They got the tangible monetary benefits of having a high Google search ranking, without giving access to the actual content, which is how the web is supposed to work. It's not my fault that news websites have continually debased their users with horrible advertising and tracking, to the point where ad-supported news is pretty much no longer viable. There are plenty of examples of smaller content offerings like podcasts which do quite well being ad-supported, because they have the trust of their audience, and they only accept quality advertisers so they can charge a premium for their ad space. Books are different, they are not the web. I find things like Google Books very helpful, even for things like when I'm reading a physical book and want to look up which page I read something, even though I can't read the full book through it.
- Someone 5y ago
  > They got the tangible monetary benefits of having a high Google search ranking, without giving access to the actual content, which is how the web is supposed to work. That’s an opinion. Another opinion is that the web is a hypertext system and that Ted Nelson, who defined that term, included a royalty mechanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu#Original_17_rules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu#Original_17_rul...)

by wrs 5y ago

What the heck are the “rules of the web”? Only valueless information is allowed to be indexed? Are you offended that when you search for a book on Amazon you have to pay to read the whole thing?

dfee 5y ago

> Are you offended that when you search for a book on Amazon you have to pay to read the whole thing? You don’t. ;) And, those are the rules of the web.

dfee 5y ago
Don’t understand the downvotes. There are legal ways to read books (https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby/ https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby/) and the ability to straight up not read the books but read summaries instead. The internet has provided this free flow of ideas and repackaging of thoughts. There are also ways to read books that circumvent copyright, but in the spirit of this discussion, that’s not necessary to dive into.

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rhinoceraptor 5y ago

It's a bait and switch. They give the search engines full text to crawl, and then nothing when a user clicks that link from their search. They got the tangible monetary benefits of having a high Google search ranking, without giving access to the actual content, which is how the web is supposed to work. It's not my fault that news websites have continually debased their users with horrible advertising and tracking, to the point where ad-supported news is pretty much no longer viable. There are plenty of examples of smaller content offerings like podcasts which do quite well being ad-supported, because they have the trust of their audience, and they only accept quality advertisers so they can charge a premium for their ad space. Books are different, they are not the web. I find things like Google Books very helpful, even for things like when I'm reading a physical book and want to look up which page I read something, even though I can't read the full book through it.

Someone 5y ago
> They got the tangible monetary benefits of having a high Google search ranking, without giving access to the actual content, which is how the web is supposed to work. That’s an opinion. Another opinion is that the web is a hypertext system and that Ted Nelson, who defined that term, included a royalty mechanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu#Original_17_rules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu#Original_17_rul...)