3 ms·I think GAE (Google App Engine) was in production before Heroku got anything out there...by democracy 5y agoI think GAE (Google App Engine) was in production before Heroku got anything out there...tombh 5y agoYes they were. But like I say, I think the 12 Factors were more important. And Heroku in general just understood hacker culture better.fomine3 5y agoGAE was also a hero, but too early for non-Googler.