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> I own a 100 acre hobby farm, and I am not permitted to house anyone else on my property. I would gladly trade farm work for housing, but I would be breaking t

> I own a 100 acre hobby farm, and I am not permitted to house anyone else on my property. I would gladly trade farm work for housing, but I would be breaking the law I have the same exact problem here in California. It's almost as if the cities want the homeless to remain homeless even if a section of the homeless are willing not to be

voakbasda 5y ago
Of course, the real irony in all of this is that it’s an open secret that many bigger farms hire illegals for their labor, pay them less than minimal wage, house them in leaky shanties, and basically hold them hostage by thinly veiled threats about calling INS. Profitable farms cannot afford to follow every law, because they are competing in a marketplace where almost all of the winners cheat.
- PaulHoule 5y ago
  We are lucky to be in a town in Upstate NY that has no zoning. It keeps property prices low because the main thing that makes a house a $400,000 house is being surrounded by $400,000 houses. In our town you could always have a trailer across the street owned by a someone from a family that has a street named after them. Having zoning in the town is a controversy, something that some people want to do because they want to keep Dollar General out, but it seems absurd to thing Dollar General would harm other businesses in the area or somehow turn the area into a food desert if it isn't already.
- MaknMoreGtnLess 5y ago
  > real irony in all of this is that it’s an open secret that many bigger farms hire illegals for their labor, pay them less than minimal wage, house them in leaky shanties, and basically hold them hostage by thinly veiled threats about calling INS IDK how upto date you are on this but in California this arbitrage opportunity is gone. "thinly veiled threats about calling INS" is no longer a point of leverage, actually a quick way to lose any farm hands in California. The current arbitrage opportunity in California are to use these people for EDD and WIC fraud but this is offtopic for this post and likely too political for HN.

voakbasda 5y ago

Of course, the real irony in all of this is that it’s an open secret that many bigger farms hire illegals for their labor, pay them less than minimal wage, house them in leaky shanties, and basically hold them hostage by thinly veiled threats about calling INS. Profitable farms cannot afford to follow every law, because they are competing in a marketplace where almost all of the winners cheat.

PaulHoule 5y ago
We are lucky to be in a town in Upstate NY that has no zoning. It keeps property prices low because the main thing that makes a house a $400,000 house is being surrounded by $400,000 houses. In our town you could always have a trailer across the street owned by a someone from a family that has a street named after them. Having zoning in the town is a controversy, something that some people want to do because they want to keep Dollar General out, but it seems absurd to thing Dollar General would harm other businesses in the area or somehow turn the area into a food desert if it isn't already.
MaknMoreGtnLess 5y ago
> real irony in all of this is that it’s an open secret that many bigger farms hire illegals for their labor, pay them less than minimal wage, house them in leaky shanties, and basically hold them hostage by thinly veiled threats about calling INS IDK how upto date you are on this but in California this arbitrage opportunity is gone. "thinly veiled threats about calling INS" is no longer a point of leverage, actually a quick way to lose any farm hands in California. The current arbitrage opportunity in California are to use these people for EDD and WIC fraud but this is offtopic for this post and likely too political for HN.