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A similar idea was expressed by Marx, who referred to it as estranged labour. Forgive the lengthy quote: > the object which labor produces – labor's product –
by MaxBarraclough 5y ago
A similar idea was expressed by Marx, who referred to it as estranged labour. Forgive the lengthy quote:
> the object which labor produces – labor's product – confronts it as something alien, as a power independent of the producer. The product of labor is labor which has been embodied in an object, which has become material: it is the objectification of labor. Labor’s realization is its objectification. Under these economic conditions this realization of labor appears as loss of realization for the workers; objectification as loss of the object and bondage to it; appropriation as estrangement, as alienation.
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> the worker is related to the product of labor as to an alien object. For on this premise it is clear that the more the worker spends himself, the more powerful becomes the alien world of objects which he creates over and against himself, the poorer he himself – his inner world – becomes, the less belongs to him as his own.
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- e4e78a06 5y agoVery ironic that the USSR ended up forcing most people into state-chosen jobs. I think it's nice to think of some ideal future where everyone works on what they want to work on but society needs people to do the dirty work that nobody wants to do. Janitor, garbageman, sewer maintenance, warehouse worker, etc. A lot of Marx's ideas are just ideas, not anything that could ever be realized in the real world.
- hgomersall 5y agoIn said hypothetical world, the crappy jobs would come with the highest prestige, because nobody would want to do them, so the payoff would need to be something other than reducing the risk of starvation.
- Apocryphon 5y agoWhatever you can say of his prescriptions, many of his descriptions and diagnoses are relevant.