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Here's another thing that is unbelievably annoying about HN: people asking for "studies" or "data" for every single fucking claim. Not every statement in life n

Here's another thing that is unbelievably annoying about HN: people asking for "studies" or "data" for every single fucking claim. Not every statement in life needs a triple-blind peer reviewed study.

LolWolf 5y ago
Honestly the funniest part of all of this is just how much peer review sucks :) Like as a whole, it’s quite bad. Best we got unfortunately, but making it a “golden standard” is just hilarious to me.
jl6 5y ago
The result of putting rationality on a pedestal at the expense of reasonableness.
archagon 5y ago
How on earth is reasoned discussion possible if people just make shit up whenever it suits their argument?
- xscott 5y ago
  Do you have any data that shows people just make shit up? Do you have any citations that show asking for citations leads to reasoned discussions? Maybe you see the point: Asking for data and citations is pretending to be rationale and civil, but usually it's just another form of sealioning. No, I don't have data to support that.
  - oneoff786 5y ago
    If you’re making a claim, based on a premise; and I find your premise doubtful, it is impossible to judge the merit of your claim. So what are we supposed to do? I observe people stating false facts on this site every day.
    - xscott 5y ago
      I don't have an answer. I think maybe it's not so important that everyone be right all the time. I mean, it frequently seems like people are just talking past each other anyways. However, I'm pretty certain that when someone says, "do you have a reference for that" or similar, what they really saying is "I think you're a fucking liar". So really, they're being antagonistic and dishonest about it. It's passive aggressive.
      - oneoff786 5y ago
        Interesting. I rarely think anyones a liar. I almost always think people are misinformed, unintentionally making poor assumptions, or just deluding themselves with extremely weak evidence that fits their mental model.
        xscott 5y ago
        Heh, ok. Instead of calling them a "fucking liar", you're saying they're "full of shit". Still seems hostile :-)
        oneoff786 5y ago
        Sometimes it is. Most often it’s not. In either case it tends to be easier to just search the information yourself and show what you found

LolWolf 5y ago

Honestly the funniest part of all of this is just how much peer review sucks :) Like as a whole, it’s quite bad. Best we got unfortunately, but making it a “golden standard” is just hilarious to me.

jl6 5y ago

The result of putting rationality on a pedestal at the expense of reasonableness.

archagon 5y ago

How on earth is reasoned discussion possible if people just make shit up whenever it suits their argument?

xscott 5y ago
Do you have any data that shows people just make shit up? Do you have any citations that show asking for citations leads to reasoned discussions? Maybe you see the point: Asking for data and citations is pretending to be rationale and civil, but usually it's just another form of sealioning. No, I don't have data to support that.
- oneoff786 5y ago
  If you’re making a claim, based on a premise; and I find your premise doubtful, it is impossible to judge the merit of your claim. So what are we supposed to do? I observe people stating false facts on this site every day.
  - xscott 5y ago
    I don't have an answer. I think maybe it's not so important that everyone be right all the time. I mean, it frequently seems like people are just talking past each other anyways. However, I'm pretty certain that when someone says, "do you have a reference for that" or similar, what they really saying is "I think you're a fucking liar". So really, they're being antagonistic and dishonest about it. It's passive aggressive.
    - oneoff786 5y ago
      Interesting. I rarely think anyones a liar. I almost always think people are misinformed, unintentionally making poor assumptions, or just deluding themselves with extremely weak evidence that fits their mental model.
      - xscott 5y ago
        Heh, ok. Instead of calling them a "fucking liar", you're saying they're "full of shit". Still seems hostile :-)
        oneoff786 5y ago
        Sometimes it is. Most often it’s not. In either case it tends to be easier to just search the information yourself and show what you found