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2. Rules that keep people from harming others are very important. u mean mandatory vaccination?

by uwagar 5y ago

civilized 5y ago
In our current context with COVID? I don't really think so. But keep in mind we've had mandatory childhood immunizations for decades and almost everyone supports them.
- Baloo 5y ago
  In the U.K we don't have mandatory childhood immunization, only recommendations.
  - civilized 5y ago
    You can get out of it in the US too but it's a condition of entry to public schools that isn't easily evaded.
shadowgovt 5y ago
Sometimes. They were required for smallpox in the army in the 1700s. They're required for measles, mumps, and rubella in most US schools today. Which diseases and how wide the requirement tends to be context-dependent. MMR in school, for example, is generally justified because school attendance is mandatory, so forcing people to be in an environment where a preventable disease will spread is inhumane if the spread can be stopped.
- uwagar 5y ago
  but i heard covid-19 vaccination doesnt stop spread.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    That's true but inaccurate (in the same sense as "wearing a seatbelt doesn't guarantee you'll survive a car crash"). COVID-19 vaccination doesn't guarantee a person cannot become infected or infectious. It significantly diminishes spread (a person stricken with the virus and extremely symptomatic is more contagious than a person who is carrying the virus but asymptomatic; mechanically, coughing, sneezing, and gasping for air with fluid-filled lungs sprays more virus-laden particles into the air; it also seems likely that a vaccinated person who picks up an infection throws fewer virus particles in regular breathing, though the studies that I've seen seem to have mixed results on that). The other reason to vaccinate people is load on medical services; even if someone who is vaccinated is infected, the odds they'll get so symptomatic they wind up in the hospital go way down. Hospitals filled with COVID-19 patients have far fewer resources to dedicate to "everyday" emergencies (heart attacks, car crashes, etc.)... The result being that COVID-19, left unmitigated, can cause systemic collapse of a country's health infrastructure and resulting death due to preventable conditions (because there's nobody available to prevent them). It's easy to forget (now that most people are vaccinated) how virulent this virus is, and how severe the symptoms are, unmitigated. There's a good reason the world medical community snapped into action on this one.
    - uwagar 5y ago
      fauci once said the amount of virus is same in both vaxxed and unvaxxed. guess they'd spread out the same way too.
  - tim333 5y ago
    They worked fairly well on covid original, not very well on Omicron.

2. Rules that keep people from harming others are very important. u mean mandatory vaccination?

by uwagar 5y ago

2. Rules that keep people from harming others are very important. u mean mandatory vaccination?

In our current context with COVID? I don't really think so. But keep in mind we've had mandatory childhood immunizations for decades and almost everyone supports them.

Baloo 5y ago
In the U.K we don't have mandatory childhood immunization, only recommendations.
- civilized 5y ago
  You can get out of it in the US too but it's a condition of entry to public schools that isn't easily evaded.

shadowgovt 5y ago

Sometimes. They were required for smallpox in the army in the 1700s. They're required for measles, mumps, and rubella in most US schools today. Which diseases and how wide the requirement tends to be context-dependent. MMR in school, for example, is generally justified because school attendance is mandatory, so forcing people to be in an environment where a preventable disease will spread is inhumane if the spread can be stopped.

uwagar 5y ago
but i heard covid-19 vaccination doesnt stop spread.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  That's true but inaccurate (in the same sense as "wearing a seatbelt doesn't guarantee you'll survive a car crash"). COVID-19 vaccination doesn't guarantee a person cannot become infected or infectious. It significantly diminishes spread (a person stricken with the virus and extremely symptomatic is more contagious than a person who is carrying the virus but asymptomatic; mechanically, coughing, sneezing, and gasping for air with fluid-filled lungs sprays more virus-laden particles into the air; it also seems likely that a vaccinated person who picks up an infection throws fewer virus particles in regular breathing, though the studies that I've seen seem to have mixed results on that). The other reason to vaccinate people is load on medical services; even if someone who is vaccinated is infected, the odds they'll get so symptomatic they wind up in the hospital go way down. Hospitals filled with COVID-19 patients have far fewer resources to dedicate to "everyday" emergencies (heart attacks, car crashes, etc.)... The result being that COVID-19, left unmitigated, can cause systemic collapse of a country's health infrastructure and resulting death due to preventable conditions (because there's nobody available to prevent them). It's easy to forget (now that most people are vaccinated) how virulent this virus is, and how severe the symptoms are, unmitigated. There's a good reason the world medical community snapped into action on this one.
  - uwagar 5y ago
    fauci once said the amount of virus is same in both vaxxed and unvaxxed. guess they'd spread out the same way too.
- tim333 5y ago
  They worked fairly well on covid original, not very well on Omicron.