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Because when dark forces are on the move, there is no choice between war and peace, only between fight and surrender.

by torstenvl 5y ago

aristofun 5y ago
And who is there to decide which forces are dark ones?
- torstenvl 5y ago
  When foreign armies hire mercenary groups to invade your homes so that they can maintain plausible deniability for what they know is an illegal and immoral act of war, I don't think there's any debate among non-psychopathic people.
  - aristofun 5y ago
    This simplistic black/white view is a very dangerous position, perpetuating the “war is ok” mentality. Read some Taleb’s books or watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film) to understand my point.
    - torstenvl 5y ago
      No. What is dangerous is refusing to recognize that bad people exist and do bad things. What is dangerous is calling into question people's right to defend themselves. Nobody can stop you from believing that, e.g., Ukraine should just capitulate to Russia and give up its freedom. But don't pretend for a second that such a belief holds the moral high ground.
      - aristofun 5y ago
        Just watch the movie first. This simplistic naive view of the world is exactly what helps bad people thrive. Im not defending anyone by this position, nor Im okay with any military invasion im just pointing out how easy it is to manipulate people who buy this ignorant binary scale. In both ways
        torstenvl 5y ago
        Supporting a nation's right to self-defense is neither simplistic nor naive. What's more, my views are informed by years of study in international law at both the JD level and in my LLM, as well as professional experience. Lastly, your personal attacks are in violation of the site guidelines. I strongly recommend you stop engaging in Internet flame war and read scholarly literature on the topic, starting with any of the various sources of commentary on the UN Charter (particularly Article 51) before engaging further. I recommend https://amazon.com/dp/B004P1JFKG/ https://amazon.com/dp/B004P1JFKG/
        aristofun 5y ago
        Your comment sounds very offensive to me. And where exactly was I personally attacking you? Not to mention that your arrogant comment is way out of the scope of the discussion (i never questioned the right of anyone to self-defense). And thus can be considered off topic and flame ;)

Because when dark forces are on the move, there is no choice between war and peace, only between fight and surrender.

aristofun 5y ago

And who is there to decide which forces are dark ones?

torstenvl 5y ago
When foreign armies hire mercenary groups to invade your homes so that they can maintain plausible deniability for what they know is an illegal and immoral act of war, I don't think there's any debate among non-psychopathic people.
- aristofun 5y ago
  This simplistic black/white view is a very dangerous position, perpetuating the “war is ok” mentality. Read some Taleb’s books or watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_(film) to understand my point.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    No. What is dangerous is refusing to recognize that bad people exist and do bad things. What is dangerous is calling into question people's right to defend themselves. Nobody can stop you from believing that, e.g., Ukraine should just capitulate to Russia and give up its freedom. But don't pretend for a second that such a belief holds the moral high ground.
    - aristofun 5y ago
      Just watch the movie first. This simplistic naive view of the world is exactly what helps bad people thrive. Im not defending anyone by this position, nor Im okay with any military invasion im just pointing out how easy it is to manipulate people who buy this ignorant binary scale. In both ways
      - torstenvl 5y ago
        Supporting a nation's right to self-defense is neither simplistic nor naive. What's more, my views are informed by years of study in international law at both the JD level and in my LLM, as well as professional experience. Lastly, your personal attacks are in violation of the site guidelines. I strongly recommend you stop engaging in Internet flame war and read scholarly literature on the topic, starting with any of the various sources of commentary on the UN Charter (particularly Article 51) before engaging further. I recommend https://amazon.com/dp/B004P1JFKG/ https://amazon.com/dp/B004P1JFKG/
        aristofun 5y ago
        Your comment sounds very offensive to me. And where exactly was I personally attacking you? Not to mention that your arrogant comment is way out of the scope of the discussion (i never questioned the right of anyone to self-defense). And thus can be considered off topic and flame ;)