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What? On one to one conversations there's only two members, "me" and "you" My point is that you don't have to code in "Josh" - or of you do, it can just be "na

What? On one to one conversations there's only two members, "me" and "you" My point is that you don't have to code in "Josh" - or of you do, it can just be "name=Josh". But save effort in the actual logic of what you're doing. I don't get what the problem is? I'm saying just using "You" is a lot simpler than "he/she"

FabHK 5y ago
Ok, what when I talk to you, and say, "so, I saw Mike the other day in an accident." What do you reply? "oh, how is Mike? Did Mike hurt Mike?" Or do you reply "Oh, how is he? Did he hurt himself?"
- drekipus 5y ago
  Going back to my original post: "I kind of think that we need to steer AIs away from trying to talk like humans at all." The question is "why would I be talking to ai about an accident involving another person?" Is it a medical AI? then perhaps it would be better to refer to Mike as "the patient", etc. Which is how it would be handled in code. Are you looking to make friends with your ai? Then no, I think you need to go find real humans to talk to, who can navigate complex human social interactions better. Robots are not a substitute for humans.
  - jimmygrapes 5y ago
    >Robots are not a substitute for humans. Well, there is Replika.ai which seems to be doing alright for itself.
- drekipus 5y ago
  And adding to this, isn't the whole issue assuming that Mike is a male? Imagine training a medical bot that gets stuck in a loop asking about pronouns in a an automated 911 call, for instance. Modern society isn't easy to program for, if we're trying to make robots that conform to (western, minority) "norms".
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    So don’t code that for a bot that responds to 911 calls.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  But then you're not speaking to Mike, right? You're speaking about Mike. So unless the person you're speaking with gets offended on Mike's behalf I don't see what the problem is.
  - drekipus 5y ago
    A lot of people get offended on other people's behalf
- asimpletune 5y ago
  It’s easy to just say “they” and its grammatically correct
nkrisc 5y ago
And yet it came up in the conversation nonetheless, even with only two participants. I can think of different reasons why the person’s pronouns might be relevant even though it’s only a two party conversation. Maybe the bot will read back to the human a message the bot will send to someone else about their conversation for verification of accuracy. That might contain a third person reference to the human participant.

FabHK 5y ago

Ok, what when I talk to you, and say, "so, I saw Mike the other day in an accident." What do you reply? "oh, how is Mike? Did Mike hurt Mike?" Or do you reply "Oh, how is he? Did he hurt himself?"

drekipus 5y ago
Going back to my original post: "I kind of think that we need to steer AIs away from trying to talk like humans at all." The question is "why would I be talking to ai about an accident involving another person?" Is it a medical AI? then perhaps it would be better to refer to Mike as "the patient", etc. Which is how it would be handled in code. Are you looking to make friends with your ai? Then no, I think you need to go find real humans to talk to, who can navigate complex human social interactions better. Robots are not a substitute for humans.
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  >Robots are not a substitute for humans. Well, there is Replika.ai which seems to be doing alright for itself.
drekipus 5y ago
And adding to this, isn't the whole issue assuming that Mike is a male? Imagine training a medical bot that gets stuck in a loop asking about pronouns in a an automated 911 call, for instance. Modern society isn't easy to program for, if we're trying to make robots that conform to (western, minority) "norms".
- nkrisc 5y ago
  So don’t code that for a bot that responds to 911 calls.
snovv_crash 5y ago
But then you're not speaking to Mike, right? You're speaking about Mike. So unless the person you're speaking with gets offended on Mike's behalf I don't see what the problem is.
- drekipus 5y ago
  A lot of people get offended on other people's behalf
asimpletune 5y ago
It’s easy to just say “they” and its grammatically correct

nkrisc 5y ago

And yet it came up in the conversation nonetheless, even with only two participants. I can think of different reasons why the person’s pronouns might be relevant even though it’s only a two party conversation. Maybe the bot will read back to the human a message the bot will send to someone else about their conversation for verification of accuracy. That might contain a third person reference to the human participant.