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Doesn't France have some arcane law where Americans can reside there for a year ? I would want to risk getting banned, but I reckon you could argue as long as

Doesn't France have some arcane law where Americans can reside there for a year ? I would want to risk getting banned, but I reckon you could argue as long as you fly in and out of France for the full year

gregjor 5y ago
Many countries have visas for stays longer than 90 days. They aren’t arcane, you just have to do the research. As far as I know there’s no EU- or Schengen-wide long-stay visa. You figure out where you’d like to stay and then look up what visas allow you to stay for a year or longer, and what the requirements are. Quite a few European countries have one-year renewable visas for retirees, for foreigners who own land or a business in their country, for people who have independent income derived from elsewhere. You don’t try to make legal arguments with immigration officials. You don’t have any right to enter a foreign country, nor do you have legal standing to challenge their laws. You will just get turned away at the airport, or deported, and maybe blacklisted. It’s not particularly hard to stay in a foreign country for longer than a tourist visa or visa waiver allows. I did it for years, as a US citizen. You just have to do the research and comply with the rules to get the visa you need.
- 999900000999 5y ago
  Ok I was more looking to see if anyone else has successfully gotten a digital nomad visa for the EU. Looks like I'll just go for 60 days or so. Afterwards if I'm still in the mood for it, I'll move on to Turkey or Asia
  - gregjor 5y ago
    No one has gotten a digital nomad visa for the EU because there's no such visa. The closest thing is the EU Blue Card, but that's a work permit for highly-skilled professionals; most digital nomads (freelancers) would not qualify. The EU and the Schengen visa region are not the same. Turkey is an EU member but not part of the Schengen visa area. The UK, Ireland, Romania, and several other countries in Europe are not Schengen area countries either. Spain recently announced a so-called digital nomad visa, good for a year if you are making money from outside Spain. I don't think it's approved yet. Some other countries in Europe have such visas available already. Germany has a couple of visas for freelancers that allow renewal for up to three years, to give one example. I know people who have been granted those visas, the process is somewhat tedious. Almost always you have to apply for a long-stay visa before you arrive in your destination country. You can't enter Germany (for example) on a tourist visa (what Americans will get on arrival) and then apply for a Freiberufler visa while in Germany. You have to plan ahead. Most digital nomads bounce around on tourist visas (look up "border run") until they find a place they want to stay for a while, then go through the process of getting the long-stay visa. If you intend to travel abroad for a while plan for things like taxes, banking, US address and phone number, health/medical insurance. Americans have to pay US income tax no matter where they live or where their income comes from, an almost-unique tax disadvantage for US citizens. On the other hand US citizens who live outside of the US for 11 months out of a year qualify for the FEIE, a big tax savings. All of this is documented and pored over constantly on nomadlist.com and the Reddit digital nomad sub. Lots of people do this, it's not particularly hard, but it is easy to make mistakes that create a lot of headaches.
    - 999900000999 5y ago
      Okay, thank you for explaining this all to me. I just saw the Taiwanese program, and I assumed with all the various EU countries at least one of them had implemented something similar. I actually might consult with a tax attorney before I do this. Thanks
      - gregjor 5y ago
        Several countries in the EU have, just not the entire EU or Schengen region. ustax.bz is good.

gregjor 5y ago

Many countries have visas for stays longer than 90 days. They aren’t arcane, you just have to do the research. As far as I know there’s no EU- or Schengen-wide long-stay visa. You figure out where you’d like to stay and then look up what visas allow you to stay for a year or longer, and what the requirements are. Quite a few European countries have one-year renewable visas for retirees, for foreigners who own land or a business in their country, for people who have independent income derived from elsewhere. You don’t try to make legal arguments with immigration officials. You don’t have any right to enter a foreign country, nor do you have legal standing to challenge their laws. You will just get turned away at the airport, or deported, and maybe blacklisted. It’s not particularly hard to stay in a foreign country for longer than a tourist visa or visa waiver allows. I did it for years, as a US citizen. You just have to do the research and comply with the rules to get the visa you need.

999900000999 5y ago
Ok I was more looking to see if anyone else has successfully gotten a digital nomad visa for the EU. Looks like I'll just go for 60 days or so. Afterwards if I'm still in the mood for it, I'll move on to Turkey or Asia
- gregjor 5y ago
  No one has gotten a digital nomad visa for the EU because there's no such visa. The closest thing is the EU Blue Card, but that's a work permit for highly-skilled professionals; most digital nomads (freelancers) would not qualify. The EU and the Schengen visa region are not the same. Turkey is an EU member but not part of the Schengen visa area. The UK, Ireland, Romania, and several other countries in Europe are not Schengen area countries either. Spain recently announced a so-called digital nomad visa, good for a year if you are making money from outside Spain. I don't think it's approved yet. Some other countries in Europe have such visas available already. Germany has a couple of visas for freelancers that allow renewal for up to three years, to give one example. I know people who have been granted those visas, the process is somewhat tedious. Almost always you have to apply for a long-stay visa before you arrive in your destination country. You can't enter Germany (for example) on a tourist visa (what Americans will get on arrival) and then apply for a Freiberufler visa while in Germany. You have to plan ahead. Most digital nomads bounce around on tourist visas (look up "border run") until they find a place they want to stay for a while, then go through the process of getting the long-stay visa. If you intend to travel abroad for a while plan for things like taxes, banking, US address and phone number, health/medical insurance. Americans have to pay US income tax no matter where they live or where their income comes from, an almost-unique tax disadvantage for US citizens. On the other hand US citizens who live outside of the US for 11 months out of a year qualify for the FEIE, a big tax savings. All of this is documented and pored over constantly on nomadlist.com and the Reddit digital nomad sub. Lots of people do this, it's not particularly hard, but it is easy to make mistakes that create a lot of headaches.
  - 999900000999 5y ago
    Okay, thank you for explaining this all to me. I just saw the Taiwanese program, and I assumed with all the various EU countries at least one of them had implemented something similar. I actually might consult with a tax attorney before I do this. Thanks
    - gregjor 5y ago
      Several countries in the EU have, just not the entire EU or Schengen region. ustax.bz is good.