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> we can see how a really well written very complex electron app like vscode behaves yes, very much worse than the average Qt app in my experience in terms of

> we can see how a really well written very complex electron app like vscode behaves yes, very much worse than the average Qt app in my experience in terms of responsivity, load time and general UI performance

7thaccount 5y ago
Agreed. I always shudder when colleagues recommend it. Last I checked it took up an enormous amount of resources for an editor.
- emteycz 5y ago
  My VSCode takes considerably less RAM than Webstorm on the same project - and yet IMHO VSCode does it better.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    I mean, "better than a bloated java app" is not really a compliment is it ? Every time I try to use jetbrains IDE I am just unable to given how slow everything feels, my hands start shaking from the stress in merely a few minutes
    - emteycz 5y ago
      Well and what editor can you use that isn't either a bloated Electron app, a bloated Java app, or a bloated C++ app? Comparison to its next best competitor is the only thing that makes sense IMHO.
      - jcelerier 5y ago
        No recent C++ IDE I know (Qt Creator, KDevelop mainly) has the kind of endemic UI slowness than the others have (recent VS in C#, Electron stuff, Java stuff).
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Load VSCode with the same amount of plugins, and measure all of the out of process executables that make part of the experience and then you will see how much RAM is actually being consumed.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      I have like 30 extensions to give it the same level of functionality (or more precisely, the subsection I use), and it takes less than Webstorm.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Counting the external processes RAM usage? Just measuring code.exe isn't enough.
tluyben2 5y ago
Obviously native does better but people are not writing native apps and if we have to put up with that, it seems time to hold those packaged web apps to some basic standards. I rather have a QT app any day, but I do not work alone and picking software that my colleagues do not use is a continues fight. I worked in vim (with a bunch of plugins) only until begin of 2020 but working in a team just makes that painful in communication and working with some team members. So I stopped somewhat shouting at the moon and only shouting at the even worse than bad stuff we use. Like chat clients that take up 3gb after running for a few days.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Be the change you want the world to be. The only Electron app I use by option is VSCode due to its Rust support, and work stuff I don't have a say on what gets used. And even so, if there is a Web alternative to the Electron package, it will run on a browser tab, done deal.

7thaccount 5y ago

Agreed. I always shudder when colleagues recommend it. Last I checked it took up an enormous amount of resources for an editor.

emteycz 5y ago
My VSCode takes considerably less RAM than Webstorm on the same project - and yet IMHO VSCode does it better.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  I mean, "better than a bloated java app" is not really a compliment is it ? Every time I try to use jetbrains IDE I am just unable to given how slow everything feels, my hands start shaking from the stress in merely a few minutes
  - emteycz 5y ago
    Well and what editor can you use that isn't either a bloated Electron app, a bloated Java app, or a bloated C++ app? Comparison to its next best competitor is the only thing that makes sense IMHO.
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      No recent C++ IDE I know (Qt Creator, KDevelop mainly) has the kind of endemic UI slowness than the others have (recent VS in C#, Electron stuff, Java stuff).
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Load VSCode with the same amount of plugins, and measure all of the out of process executables that make part of the experience and then you will see how much RAM is actually being consumed.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    I have like 30 extensions to give it the same level of functionality (or more precisely, the subsection I use), and it takes less than Webstorm.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Counting the external processes RAM usage? Just measuring code.exe isn't enough.

tluyben2 5y ago

Obviously native does better but people are not writing native apps and if we have to put up with that, it seems time to hold those packaged web apps to some basic standards. I rather have a QT app any day, but I do not work alone and picking software that my colleagues do not use is a continues fight. I worked in vim (with a bunch of plugins) only until begin of 2020 but working in a team just makes that painful in communication and working with some team members. So I stopped somewhat shouting at the moon and only shouting at the even worse than bad stuff we use. Like chat clients that take up 3gb after running for a few days.

pjmlp 5y ago
Be the change you want the world to be. The only Electron app I use by option is VSCode due to its Rust support, and work stuff I don't have a say on what gets used. And even so, if there is a Web alternative to the Electron package, it will run on a browser tab, done deal.