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We have a high recidivism rate because are correctional institutions have no intention of correcting anything about our inmates. California profits off of priva

We have a high recidivism rate because are correctional institutions have no intention of correcting anything about our inmates. California profits off of private prison labor, and have no incentive to provide a path to recovery from a life of crime.

WalterGR 5y ago
Which states don’t profit off of prisons?
- notthemessiah 5y ago
  Many industrialized countries have banned forced prison labor, but still allow some form of voluntary labor. The 13th Amendment enshrines it at the highest law of the land of the United States, and prisoners are often punished for refusing forced labor. Forced penal labor is also embraced by many other authoritarian countries like Communist China and Vietnam.
ahh 5y ago
That's nice. Feel free to fix the prison system at any time; if the people who come out don't commit more crimes, I'll be happy. In the meantime, imprison the people who do commit crimes, and if they do so again after they're out, imprison them again.
- gaganyaan 5y ago
  Such a smooth-brained take. There's a reason prisons are called "schools for crime", and it's because of silly lines like "if they do so again [...], imprison them again". Please actually think, and eventually realize that reducing recidivism rates is how you get your "people who come out don't commit more crimes".
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    If you've got a way of reducing recidivism, we'd all love to see it. In the meantime, though, throwing insults at ahh doesn't actually refute his/her position.
    - gaganyaan 5y ago
      It's not a secret, it's common sense: > Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world; in 2016, only 20% of inmates re-offended within 5 years. [...] Norway's prisons are renowned for being some of the best and most humane in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway Treat people like people, it's that simple. Attitudes like ahh's arise from not expanding past using their lizard brain. They create more of the problem they purport to complain about. Straight contradiction.
      - ahh 5y ago
        You are welcome to advocate for pleasant, humane prisons. Run whatever antirecidivism campaigns you wish there. If they work, that's great. In either case: send people who commit crime to those prisons. If they do it again, send them back.
        gaganyaan 5y ago
        This isn't some theoretical thing. Countries with sane laws around this see far lower recidivism rates, today. The proof is in the pudding, and your pudding is rotten. Give it some actual thought.

WalterGR 5y ago

Which states don’t profit off of prisons?

notthemessiah 5y ago
Many industrialized countries have banned forced prison labor, but still allow some form of voluntary labor. The 13th Amendment enshrines it at the highest law of the land of the United States, and prisoners are often punished for refusing forced labor. Forced penal labor is also embraced by many other authoritarian countries like Communist China and Vietnam.

ahh 5y ago

That's nice. Feel free to fix the prison system at any time; if the people who come out don't commit more crimes, I'll be happy. In the meantime, imprison the people who do commit crimes, and if they do so again after they're out, imprison them again.

gaganyaan 5y ago
Such a smooth-brained take. There's a reason prisons are called "schools for crime", and it's because of silly lines like "if they do so again [...], imprison them again". Please actually think, and eventually realize that reducing recidivism rates is how you get your "people who come out don't commit more crimes".
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  If you've got a way of reducing recidivism, we'd all love to see it. In the meantime, though, throwing insults at ahh doesn't actually refute his/her position.
  - gaganyaan 5y ago
    It's not a secret, it's common sense: > Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world; in 2016, only 20% of inmates re-offended within 5 years. [...] Norway's prisons are renowned for being some of the best and most humane in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway Treat people like people, it's that simple. Attitudes like ahh's arise from not expanding past using their lizard brain. They create more of the problem they purport to complain about. Straight contradiction.
    - ahh 5y ago
      You are welcome to advocate for pleasant, humane prisons. Run whatever antirecidivism campaigns you wish there. If they work, that's great. In either case: send people who commit crime to those prisons. If they do it again, send them back.
      - gaganyaan 5y ago
        This isn't some theoretical thing. Countries with sane laws around this see far lower recidivism rates, today. The proof is in the pudding, and your pudding is rotten. Give it some actual thought.