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There was a lovely article yesterday about the fall of Rome dealing with how one of the reasons Rome fell is because various people acted in their own self inte

There was a lovely article yesterday about the fall of Rome dealing with how one of the reasons Rome fell is because various people acted in their own self interest at the expense of the public good. Many of them doing so because they couldn't believe that something that'd been around so long could fail. To condone theft because you feel like it is the best option for you is the epitome of that mindset. It will destroy society because we destroy the incentive for anyone to create to produce and then we see real poverty. Everyone bitching on antiwork about their hopeless future are doing so from a place where they have regular stable electricity, running clean water, an internet connection, and I am going to guess ate sometime in the last 12 or at least 24 hours. Contrast that with my brother in law from Africa when we was growing up the government was subject to constant rebellions, and anything you had could be taken at any time, it made it hard to build and secure goods and services because much of your time was trying to survive, and any appearance of success brought those that would take it from you. That's where we are headed if we continue to ignore the fact that justice and laws are the price of civilized society regardless of how inhumane it feels.

louwrentius 5y ago
> Many of them doing so because they couldn't believe that something that'd been around so long could fail. I think people don't understand how fragile societies are, in general. Because we in the west had it good for the last 75 years is almost an anomaly if you look at history. And how things can turn if a large majority of the populace has no future to look forward to (like their parents had). > To condone theft because you feel like it is the best option for you is the epitome of that mindset. I absolutely condone theft if you need money to survive, not as a means to get the latest iPhone. > It will destroy society because we destroy the incentive for anyone to create to produce and then we see real poverty. Everyone bitching on antiwork about their hopeless future are doing so from a place where they have regular stable electricity, running clean water, an internet connection, and I am going to guess ate sometime in the last 12 or at least 24 hours. That reeks so much like victim blaming to me. Exactly the skewed tech-bro view that is really beyond wrong. You don't undestand that mere existing with some running water and electricity isn't good enough. People need to live. Not dread existence - with just one health scare away from financial ruin - in a terrible soul eating job that doesn't pay anywhere decent. If you don't want the lower class to start eating the rich / or just fucking up society for that matter, maybe the rich should pay their due, and share their wealth so others don't have to work 3 jobs to survive. Don't blame the young people, with worthless college debt, with no hope of ever buying a house. Let's see what this will do to fertility rates and how that in turn will affect businesses. Oh and regarding all those businesses that can't pay a liveable wage: then you have no viable business.

louwrentius 5y ago

> Many of them doing so because they couldn't believe that something that'd been around so long could fail. I think people don't understand how fragile societies are, in general. Because we in the west had it good for the last 75 years is almost an anomaly if you look at history. And how things can turn if a large majority of the populace has no future to look forward to (like their parents had). > To condone theft because you feel like it is the best option for you is the epitome of that mindset. I absolutely condone theft if you need money to survive, not as a means to get the latest iPhone. > It will destroy society because we destroy the incentive for anyone to create to produce and then we see real poverty. Everyone bitching on antiwork about their hopeless future are doing so from a place where they have regular stable electricity, running clean water, an internet connection, and I am going to guess ate sometime in the last 12 or at least 24 hours. That reeks so much like victim blaming to me. Exactly the skewed tech-bro view that is really beyond wrong. You don't undestand that mere existing with some running water and electricity isn't good enough. People need to live. Not dread existence - with just one health scare away from financial ruin - in a terrible soul eating job that doesn't pay anywhere decent. If you don't want the lower class to start eating the rich / or just fucking up society for that matter, maybe the rich should pay their due, and share their wealth so others don't have to work 3 jobs to survive. Don't blame the young people, with worthless college debt, with no hope of ever buying a house. Let's see what this will do to fertility rates and how that in turn will affect businesses. Oh and regarding all those businesses that can't pay a liveable wage: then you have no viable business.