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I mean, there was a while there where XMPP-based and federated chat clients (particularly google chat, along with early facebook messenger) were becoming domina
by stormbrew 5y ago
I mean, there was a while there where XMPP-based and federated chat clients (particularly google chat, along with early facebook messenger) were becoming dominant, and were widely used by "normal people" without even knowing it was a thing.
So I don't think "it's impossible to make a non-shitty federated client" is really a valid argument. That's not to dispute real problems with wide-open federation or XMPP, because they absolutely exist, just that "the clients are hard to use" seems more an artifact of the resources of the people making them than anything to do with technical merit.
- thfuran 5y ago>So I don't think "it's impossible to make a non-shitty federated client" is really a valid argument. Perhaps not, but it's definitely a strawman.
- deadlyllama 5y agoI wonder if some of what went wrong with XMPP was the big platforms (Facebook, Gmail) adopting it, then dropping it. Coupled with the rise of smartphones and the cloud. Previously you ran your chat app on a desktop PC and it stored your chat history/etc. I imagine federated chat means more opportunities for your users to avoid seeing ads too... Just use someone else's server!
- vel0city 5y agoWere things like Google Chat and Facebook chat actually federated, or did they just allow for XMPP clients to authenticate and have some marginal functionality of the platform? If I was a member on some XMPP server, could I send a message to either platform without having a Google or Facebook account?