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> modern apps are cloud enabled and we see a ton more ways to leverage this model for customer value (including today’s 20k+ fonts, stock, ai tools computing in

> modern apps are cloud enabled and we see a ton more ways to leverage this model for customer value (including today’s 20k+ fonts, stock, ai tools computing in cloud, collab, web apps…) I think the average consumer doesn't care about this and it makes sense from corporate strategy standpoint - this is your bread and butter. It generates enormous cashflows. But you're not going to get good reception on HN - we wan't none of these features. We want 2008 version of Adobe products. Install. Get the job done. Close it. We're happy to pay for that. Also, let's cut to the chase, Adobe's advertisement platform is where its shareholders wants it to go: https://business.adobe.com/products/advertising/adobe-advertising-cloud/products.html https://business.adobe.com/products/advertising/adobe-advert...

gatonegro 5y ago
> We're happy to pay for that. Preferably once, not monthly.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I pay monthly $7.99 or whatever for Jet Brains products. Predictable and sustainable revenue stream makes good business. And it is cheap enough for the value I get from it. Totally OK IMO. I charge a subscription fee of $X/year to my employer for my services ;-) which keeps me alive, pays the bills and everything stays healthy.
  - gatonegro 5y ago
    Those are all valid points, but software subscriptions still make me extremely uncomfortable. I'm not a fan of subscription services in general, but that's a little off-topic. Paying a monthly fee to Adobe in particular strikes me as a horrible proposition: extortionate early termination fees, constant price increases, the inability to use the software whenever their servers or CC program throw a fit, finding that your programs were broken by an update you didn't ask for... And, of course, there's the fact that you're essentially locked out of your own files if you ever terminate your subscription, even if you were a paying customer for years. I really miss the days where you could just pay for something and have it.
  - humanlion87 5y ago
    But Jetbrains allows you to "own" a version of their product after you have paid for 1 year. So if you decide to stop your subscription you still have at least something to use for your existing files. You don't get something like that with Adobe. Everything is gone if you stop paying.

gatonegro 5y ago

> We're happy to pay for that. Preferably once, not monthly.

systemvoltage 5y ago
I pay monthly $7.99 or whatever for Jet Brains products. Predictable and sustainable revenue stream makes good business. And it is cheap enough for the value I get from it. Totally OK IMO. I charge a subscription fee of $X/year to my employer for my services ;-) which keeps me alive, pays the bills and everything stays healthy.
- gatonegro 5y ago
  Those are all valid points, but software subscriptions still make me extremely uncomfortable. I'm not a fan of subscription services in general, but that's a little off-topic. Paying a monthly fee to Adobe in particular strikes me as a horrible proposition: extortionate early termination fees, constant price increases, the inability to use the software whenever their servers or CC program throw a fit, finding that your programs were broken by an update you didn't ask for... And, of course, there's the fact that you're essentially locked out of your own files if you ever terminate your subscription, even if you were a paying customer for years. I really miss the days where you could just pay for something and have it.
- humanlion87 5y ago
  But Jetbrains allows you to "own" a version of their product after you have paid for 1 year. So if you decide to stop your subscription you still have at least something to use for your existing files. You don't get something like that with Adobe. Everything is gone if you stop paying.