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Yet the NHS costs the U.K. public a lot less per head than other schemes in europe

by midasuni 5y ago

credit_guy 5y ago
But more than in Singapore.
- llamaimperative 5y ago
  Singapore is across the board way, way less similar to the US than Western Europe is. Interesting to see healthcare is another hybrid capitalist—socialist success story for them (like their housing/land policies).
  - credit_guy 5y ago
    Yes, but in a certain important way it's way to the right of the US and Europe: for many procedures you pay out of your pocket. That makes the consumer pay attention to price, unlike in the US or Europe. A can of beans costs less than $1. That's because people actually pay for that can of beans with their own money. If they didn't care about the cost, soon everyone will look for the highest quality beans out there, and there won't be any competition on price. Do you think the price of beans will go up or down? A few years ago I had the opportunity (?) to visit the Emergency Room both in the US and in the UK within a week of each other. I did not have to pay a dime in the UK, but did I have to wait? Hours and hours and hours. I have to admit that the equipment seemed to be as high quality as in the US, but the understaffing was nothing else than remarkable. On the other hand, just a few weeks before the Covid started in the US, I had to take my son to the ER with some respiratory thing called "croup" or parainfluenza. They gave him a syrup (some steroid-based medicine, I think), and he was good as new in a matter of minutes. But the bill was $2000. Which one do I prefer? Neither. But boy, would I like to have a system like in Singapore ...
    - midasuni 5y ago
      SG is a young nation so has lower Heath care costs (not many over 70s). The amount being spent on health has been ballooning over the decade and is forecast to continue. It’s currently US$2800 a year per person, however to quote , the health-care system is contending with increased stress, as reflected in so-called pain points that have led to public concern, including shortages in acute hospital beds and intermediate and long-term care (ILTC) services, and high out-of-pocket payments. The main drivers of these challenges are the rising prevalence of non-communicable diseases and rapid population ageing, limitations in the delivery and organisation of primary care and ILTC, and financial incentives that might inadvertently impede care integration. Basically the low costs driven by a young population are coming to an end
- sanp 5y ago
  Singapore has an extremely healthy population which is the result of significant conscious effort on part of the government - prevention being better than the cure and all that.

Yet the NHS costs the U.K. public a lot less per head than other schemes in europe

credit_guy 5y ago

But more than in Singapore.

llamaimperative 5y ago
Singapore is across the board way, way less similar to the US than Western Europe is. Interesting to see healthcare is another hybrid capitalist—socialist success story for them (like their housing/land policies).
- credit_guy 5y ago
  Yes, but in a certain important way it's way to the right of the US and Europe: for many procedures you pay out of your pocket. That makes the consumer pay attention to price, unlike in the US or Europe. A can of beans costs less than $1. That's because people actually pay for that can of beans with their own money. If they didn't care about the cost, soon everyone will look for the highest quality beans out there, and there won't be any competition on price. Do you think the price of beans will go up or down? A few years ago I had the opportunity (?) to visit the Emergency Room both in the US and in the UK within a week of each other. I did not have to pay a dime in the UK, but did I have to wait? Hours and hours and hours. I have to admit that the equipment seemed to be as high quality as in the US, but the understaffing was nothing else than remarkable. On the other hand, just a few weeks before the Covid started in the US, I had to take my son to the ER with some respiratory thing called "croup" or parainfluenza. They gave him a syrup (some steroid-based medicine, I think), and he was good as new in a matter of minutes. But the bill was $2000. Which one do I prefer? Neither. But boy, would I like to have a system like in Singapore ...
  - midasuni 5y ago
    SG is a young nation so has lower Heath care costs (not many over 70s). The amount being spent on health has been ballooning over the decade and is forecast to continue. It’s currently US$2800 a year per person, however to quote , the health-care system is contending with increased stress, as reflected in so-called pain points that have led to public concern, including shortages in acute hospital beds and intermediate and long-term care (ILTC) services, and high out-of-pocket payments. The main drivers of these challenges are the rising prevalence of non-communicable diseases and rapid population ageing, limitations in the delivery and organisation of primary care and ILTC, and financial incentives that might inadvertently impede care integration. Basically the low costs driven by a young population are coming to an end
sanp 5y ago
Singapore has an extremely healthy population which is the result of significant conscious effort on part of the government - prevention being better than the cure and all that.