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Some TVs now come with a camera, brace for a camera-based presence detection API to show up in web standards and TV operating systems. https://electronics.sony

Some TVs now come with a camera, brace for a camera-based presence detection API to show up in web standards and TV operating systems. https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/all-tvs/p/xr55a95k https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/all-tvs/p/... https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/television-accessories/p/cmubc1 https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/television...

theGeatZhopa 5y ago
This is truly horrible and dystopian the Sony-Ericsson K800 was the last thing I bought from Sony. Even didn't bought the PlayStation. They need to go down.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  It is horrible but definitely not exclusive to Sony. Microsoft's Kinect, the always-on 3D camera/mic that could have been used to read people's facial expressions while watching ads. I'm glad it failed. Google speakers which have a microphone array they use to measure the shape and size of your room. Definitely only for acoustic purposes of course... And some people pay money for that, which makes me fear this might become standard in all kinds of devices. Those things aren't even that great in terms of features. In movies like "I, robot" the machine overlords were at least useful for cooking.
userbinator 5y ago
It's like the old Soviet Russia joke. Except, it's not a joke...
- danuker 5y ago
  To anyone curious: search for "Russian reversal"
- Galaxeblaffer 5y ago
  Yes, blame communism, very clever comment.
  - Lvl999Noob 5y ago
    The comment isn't blaming communism though. There's a meme that goes like "In the world, <completely normal thing>, In Soviet Russia, <the opposite of it>". So here it would go, "In the world, you watch the TV. In Soviet Russia, the TV watches you." Except that it wouldn't just be in Soviet Russia.
    - Sebb767 5y ago
      Given that Soviet Russia wasn't a technology monopoly, it actually fits better if you turn it around (IMO): > In Soviet Russia, you watch TV. In modern world, TV watches you.
  - nabeelam 5y ago
    That...isn't the point? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia
IMSAI8080 5y ago
Black Mirror. The ads pause if you're not paying attention.
- 0xmohit 5y ago
  The TV places an order if you're paying attention.
- awestroke 5y ago
  Spotify ads pause if you turn down the volume
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    Didn't Spotify also have extremely loud ads?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - tomsmeding 5y ago
    On the PC, it doesn't notice if you turn down the system volume instead of Spotify volume.
- Habgdnv 5y ago
  Black Mirror V2.0 At the end of the 15min break, you must pass a quick exam about the products in the ads if you want to continue watching your sports game.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    You must pass an exam by buying the products to prove the propaganda worked
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  How long until they start torturing us with loud noise as punishment for having the audacity to ignore our corporate overlords?
genewitch 5y ago
I just did a search for mountain dew | mt dew | mtn dew | xbox patent/meme and i have discovered that the internet is broken. Couldn't find it. Weird, DDG uses bing, so maybe that's why it isn't the first result...
- 8192kjshad09- 5y ago
  I can find it all over, try googling "Please drink a verification can"
- voldacar 5y ago
  the meme, for those who haven't seen it https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png
  - genewitch 5y ago
    https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b4/2e/a1/779dd8dceb4a70/US08246454-20120821-D00009.png https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b4/2e/a1/779dd8d... found this using andisearch which was linked around yesterday. It's a sony patent, and it has a person say "McDonald's!" to end a McDonald's ad on a TV.
  - tomcatfish 5y ago
    God, this dumb post gets me every time. I just really enjoy the imagery in it.
  - genewitch 5y ago
    There is also a patent with a person standing up in front of a television.
ComradePhil 5y ago
If you want a camera for your TV, Xiaomi makes one.
- brnt 5y ago
  > If you want a camera for your TV I guess large swaths of people never actually read 1984.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - vanilla_nut 5y ago
    I would actually love a good raspberry pi/webcam setup in my living room for comfy video calls. Sadly I don’t trust any of the standard commercial offerings (smart tvs are the least trustworthy devices I know; home assistants and Facebook devices don’t even count as devices since they’re pure spyware).
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    Oh I did. So you think having a camera on the TV is worse than having a device with a camera and a bunch of others sensors with you at all times? Orwell couldn't imagine a portable device, so obviously it's the TVs with cameras that are bad... not any of the actual devices used for mass survelliance.
    - brnt 5y ago
      What makes you think I think that's worse than a phone? Being weary of TVs with cameras does not proclude me from beating weary of phones. I very much am.
saagarjha 5y ago
Sony amusingly also owns the patent on the famous "Say 'McDonald's' to end commercial" patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8246454B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8246454B2/en
jsrcout 5y ago
That second one gave me a flashback to childhood. "You're sitting too close to the TV! You'll ruin your eyes!" > Proximity Alert allows you to set an adequate viewing distance for your child and displays an overlay notification if they get too close to the TV.2 Let's not talk about how strong my glasses prescription is, some decades later lol.
newsbinator 5y ago
We'll need a pi-hole like device, which does presence-detection to cut off electricity to the TV when you're not in the room, assuming that remains legal. The other day at midnight I was woken up by an Amber Alert for a somewhat nearby town. It's not possible to disable these notifications in this country, as far as I know.
- dessant 5y ago
  I think only presidential alerts are mandatory in most places, you may be able to turn off the alerts that are not important to you.
- gruez 5y ago
  >It's not possible to disable these notifications in this country, as far as I know. custom ROMs can work around that.
adrianmonk 5y ago
There's at least one potentially positive use of that. In an ideal world, broadcasters would use this data to become aware of which ads are so loathsome that they drive away viewers. Ad revenue is a win. But if a particular ad (more than others) causes people to leave the room or change channels, the following ads will get less views, and that could be a loss. If you actually know when that happens, you could charge advertisers extra if their commercials are too annoying. Or just not even air those ads.
madduci 5y ago
Stop connecting your smart TV to internet or if you do, be sure running a pihole in your network

theGeatZhopa 5y ago

This is truly horrible and dystopian the Sony-Ericsson K800 was the last thing I bought from Sony. Even didn't bought the PlayStation. They need to go down.

alpaca128 5y ago
It is horrible but definitely not exclusive to Sony. Microsoft's Kinect, the always-on 3D camera/mic that could have been used to read people's facial expressions while watching ads. I'm glad it failed. Google speakers which have a microphone array they use to measure the shape and size of your room. Definitely only for acoustic purposes of course... And some people pay money for that, which makes me fear this might become standard in all kinds of devices. Those things aren't even that great in terms of features. In movies like "I, robot" the machine overlords were at least useful for cooking.

userbinator 5y ago

It's like the old Soviet Russia joke. Except, it's not a joke...

danuker 5y ago
To anyone curious: search for "Russian reversal"
Galaxeblaffer 5y ago
Yes, blame communism, very clever comment.
- Lvl999Noob 5y ago
  The comment isn't blaming communism though. There's a meme that goes like "In the world, <completely normal thing>, In Soviet Russia, <the opposite of it>". So here it would go, "In the world, you watch the TV. In Soviet Russia, the TV watches you." Except that it wouldn't just be in Soviet Russia.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    Given that Soviet Russia wasn't a technology monopoly, it actually fits better if you turn it around (IMO): > In Soviet Russia, you watch TV. In modern world, TV watches you.
- nabeelam 5y ago
  That...isn't the point? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia

IMSAI8080 5y ago

Black Mirror. The ads pause if you're not paying attention.

0xmohit 5y ago
The TV places an order if you're paying attention.
awestroke 5y ago
Spotify ads pause if you turn down the volume
- Sebb767 5y ago
  Didn't Spotify also have extremely loud ads?
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- tomsmeding 5y ago
  On the PC, it doesn't notice if you turn down the system volume instead of Spotify volume.
Habgdnv 5y ago
Black Mirror V2.0 At the end of the 15min break, you must pass a quick exam about the products in the ads if you want to continue watching your sports game.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  You must pass an exam by buying the products to prove the propaganda worked
matheusmoreira 5y ago
How long until they start torturing us with loud noise as punishment for having the audacity to ignore our corporate overlords?

genewitch 5y ago

I just did a search for mountain dew | mt dew | mtn dew | xbox patent/meme and i have discovered that the internet is broken. Couldn't find it. Weird, DDG uses bing, so maybe that's why it isn't the first result...

8192kjshad09- 5y ago
I can find it all over, try googling "Please drink a verification can"
voldacar 5y ago
the meme, for those who haven't seen it https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png
- genewitch 5y ago
  https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b4/2e/a1/779dd8dceb4a70/US08246454-20120821-D00009.png https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b4/2e/a1/779dd8d... found this using andisearch which was linked around yesterday. It's a sony patent, and it has a person say "McDonald's!" to end a McDonald's ad on a TV.
- tomcatfish 5y ago
  God, this dumb post gets me every time. I just really enjoy the imagery in it.
- genewitch 5y ago
  There is also a patent with a person standing up in front of a television.

ComradePhil 5y ago

If you want a camera for your TV, Xiaomi makes one.

brnt 5y ago
> If you want a camera for your TV I guess large swaths of people never actually read 1984.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- vanilla_nut 5y ago
  I would actually love a good raspberry pi/webcam setup in my living room for comfy video calls. Sadly I don’t trust any of the standard commercial offerings (smart tvs are the least trustworthy devices I know; home assistants and Facebook devices don’t even count as devices since they’re pure spyware).
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  Oh I did. So you think having a camera on the TV is worse than having a device with a camera and a bunch of others sensors with you at all times? Orwell couldn't imagine a portable device, so obviously it's the TVs with cameras that are bad... not any of the actual devices used for mass survelliance.
  - brnt 5y ago
    What makes you think I think that's worse than a phone? Being weary of TVs with cameras does not proclude me from beating weary of phones. I very much am.

saagarjha 5y ago

Sony amusingly also owns the patent on the famous "Say 'McDonald's' to end commercial" patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8246454B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8246454B2/en

jsrcout 5y ago

That second one gave me a flashback to childhood. "You're sitting too close to the TV! You'll ruin your eyes!" > Proximity Alert allows you to set an adequate viewing distance for your child and displays an overlay notification if they get too close to the TV.2 Let's not talk about how strong my glasses prescription is, some decades later lol.

newsbinator 5y ago

We'll need a pi-hole like device, which does presence-detection to cut off electricity to the TV when you're not in the room, assuming that remains legal. The other day at midnight I was woken up by an Amber Alert for a somewhat nearby town. It's not possible to disable these notifications in this country, as far as I know.

dessant 5y ago
I think only presidential alerts are mandatory in most places, you may be able to turn off the alerts that are not important to you.
gruez 5y ago
>It's not possible to disable these notifications in this country, as far as I know. custom ROMs can work around that.

adrianmonk 5y ago

There's at least one potentially positive use of that. In an ideal world, broadcasters would use this data to become aware of which ads are so loathsome that they drive away viewers. Ad revenue is a win. But if a particular ad (more than others) causes people to leave the room or change channels, the following ads will get less views, and that could be a loss. If you actually know when that happens, you could charge advertisers extra if their commercials are too annoying. Or just not even air those ads.

madduci 5y ago

Stop connecting your smart TV to internet or if you do, be sure running a pihole in your network