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It was extremely disappointing that NOVA completely failed to mention Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, and they also falsely claimed that there have been 0 mar

by bryans 5y ago

It was extremely disappointing that NOVA completely failed to mention Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, and they also falsely claimed that there have been 0 marijuana-related deaths. They really didn't do their research for that episode.

monetus 5y ago
Who died?
- bryans 5y ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/20/indiana-boy-17-died-smoking-weed-chs-blame-what-chs/2387571001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/20/indian...
  - monetus 5y ago
    I'm not going to download and read the pdf until later, but with three cases only reviewed by the researchers and not actively monitored by them (it seems), I'm curious how they could be at all certain CHS was caused by cannabis. A lot of receptors in the stomach, so it could make sense. Three cases studied after the fact though, I was hoping for something more thorough. The USA today article is reprehensible.
    - bryans 5y ago
      As a chronic sufferer of CHS, I'd be happy to tell you all about it if you're genuinely curious. But there really hasn't been a question of the connection between cannabis and cyclical vomiting since the 2004 study[1] led to a fury of other research[2]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/ [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cannabinoid+hyperemesis+syndrome https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cannabinoid+hyperemesis...
Bud 5y ago
The fact that you really have to hunt for these deaths, and that even seemingly-rigorous medical studies on the question can only dig up a total of three cases, combined with the fact that hundreds of millions of people (at least) use cannabis very regularly, really tells you all you need to know. Cannabis use simply is not fatal, or even highly dangerous, under all normal conditions. Sure, yes, you can find a few 1 in 10,000,000 or 1 in 100,000,000 exceptions. You can probably find some of those for chocolate ice cream, too.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ice-cream-deaths-20150314-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ice-cream-dea... Three ice-cream deaths in a single state in a single incident! Nothing is free of risk, but despite the fearmongering, I still think cannabis is not very risky compared to many other things.
- bryans 5y ago
  I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1] Americans experiencing CHS episodes every year which, given the 35 million[2] "regular" cannabis users, means that approximately 7% of users are susceptible. For you to dismiss this horrific illness as "not fatal" and even "not dangerous" is outrageously arrogant and ignorant of a very real condition. You're essentially saying that those people did not matter, or did not exist, and that the pain and suffering I have experienced is irrelevant just because it's not the same experience as your own. It is beyond disturbing that you feel so comfortable making medical claims about something you clearly have no understanding of. Shame on you. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/ "Among 2127 patients approached for participation, 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month. Among those surveyed, 32.9% (95% CI, 25.5-40.3%) met our criteria for having experienced CHS. If this is extractable to the general population, approximately 2.75 million (2.13-3.38 million) Americans may suffer annually from a phenomenon similar to CHS." [2] https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145681414.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145... "Close to 35 million are what the survey calls "regular users," or people who use marijuana at least once or twice a month."

by bryans 5y ago

monetus 5y ago

Who died?

bryans 5y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/20/indiana-boy-17-died-smoking-weed-chs-blame-what-chs/2387571001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/20/indian...
- monetus 5y ago
  I'm not going to download and read the pdf until later, but with three cases only reviewed by the researchers and not actively monitored by them (it seems), I'm curious how they could be at all certain CHS was caused by cannabis. A lot of receptors in the stomach, so it could make sense. Three cases studied after the fact though, I was hoping for something more thorough. The USA today article is reprehensible.
  - bryans 5y ago
    As a chronic sufferer of CHS, I'd be happy to tell you all about it if you're genuinely curious. But there really hasn't been a question of the connection between cannabis and cyclical vomiting since the 2004 study[1] led to a fury of other research[2]. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/ [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cannabinoid+hyperemesis+syndrome https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cannabinoid+hyperemesis...

Bud 5y ago

The fact that you really have to hunt for these deaths, and that even seemingly-rigorous medical studies on the question can only dig up a total of three cases, combined with the fact that hundreds of millions of people (at least) use cannabis very regularly, really tells you all you need to know. Cannabis use simply is not fatal, or even highly dangerous, under all normal conditions. Sure, yes, you can find a few 1 in 10,000,000 or 1 in 100,000,000 exceptions. You can probably find some of those for chocolate ice cream, too.

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ice-cream-deaths-20150314-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ice-cream-dea... Three ice-cream deaths in a single state in a single incident! Nothing is free of risk, but despite the fearmongering, I still think cannabis is not very risky compared to many other things.
bryans 5y ago
I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1] Americans experiencing CHS episodes every year which, given the 35 million[2] "regular" cannabis users, means that approximately 7% of users are susceptible. For you to dismiss this horrific illness as "not fatal" and even "not dangerous" is outrageously arrogant and ignorant of a very real condition. You're essentially saying that those people did not matter, or did not exist, and that the pain and suffering I have experienced is irrelevant just because it's not the same experience as your own. It is beyond disturbing that you feel so comfortable making medical claims about something you clearly have no understanding of. Shame on you. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/ "Among 2127 patients approached for participation, 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month. Among those surveyed, 32.9% (95% CI, 25.5-40.3%) met our criteria for having experienced CHS. If this is extractable to the general population, approximately 2.75 million (2.13-3.38 million) Americans may suffer annually from a phenomenon similar to CHS." [2] https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145681414.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145... "Close to 35 million are what the survey calls "regular users," or people who use marijuana at least once or twice a month."