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I loved 2049. Thought it was a great film. But it was a great film on its own. It didn't really need the ties to the original. Does the blade runner world reall

I loved 2049. Thought it was a great film. But it was a great film on its own. It didn't really need the ties to the original. Does the blade runner world really need another piece? Well, idk. I guess I would say its probably going to be pretty good, but I'd suspect trying to embrace the existing canon is going to harm the potential of the movie more than it will help. The 50 year time jumps are good though.

kirso 5y ago
Agreed. At this point I am just happy there is any kind of great piece of sci-fi coming out. I think since Expanse it has been quite hard to find anything worth watching in that space.
- iamacyborg 5y ago
  Dune is pretty fantastic. It’s definitely not a movie that’s best enjoyed with tv speakers though.
  - kirso 5y ago
    For sure, seems like just Marvelification of all movies has been really annoying. Everything has the same style / humour and vagueness.
mhh__ 5y ago
It really cruxes on their being a story to tell. It's like people asking if they're going to do another film with K? (Which I think is symptom of cinema being saturated with feel good movies where there is no conflict or sacrifice, possibly in funny costumes...). He's utterly finished at the end of 2049, there isn't any more to say. I don't know what it would look like but I think a relatively obvious road to go down would probably the ethics of general AI in computers. If you do have your own Joi, is she a slave? Does she "is", at all? I really hope they land it if it gets made, although at worst it'll probably be a really pretty if confusing mess, which is better than most TV shows.
thinkingkong 5y ago
2049 was dennis Villeneuve though. The same person behind sicario, arrival, and dune. If anything the endorsement goes the other way.
- rsync 5y ago
  God ... Sicario is so good ...
- Cosmin_C 5y ago
  I agree, when Ridley Scott does something nowadays all I can think about is how he will ruin it. Villeneuve is an absolutely amazing director, but my personal feelings towards Ridley Scott after Prometheus and Alien Covenant is that he should retire, his job in ruining the Alien universe is done.
  - danielrpa 5y ago
    <Prometheus spoilers> Prometheus had some good pieces - I particularly enjoyed the travel to the alien world and its vistas. Arguably this is 90% special effects instead of talented directing, but worthy of my time nonetheless. The movie does fall apart when they start exploring, though...
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y ago
    For what it's worth, I watched Prometheus before watching Alien and loved it. I think it's a great film on its own, and the people I've met who didn't like it expressed sentiments similar to yours (ruining the Alien universe").
    - Cosmin_C 5y ago
      I'll try and write some thoughts on this so maybe you can understand where I'm coming from. I feel that a lot that makes Prometheus a good movie in itself is how it's paced and the graphical effects, albeit it still suffers from bad writing in a lot of places. The story per-se however is a complete dumpster fire because it changes and retcons the Alien universe lore to fit a story that perhaps didn't need to be told. At the same time there were deleted scenes that literally would have added 10-15 minutes to the run time and would have made it at least a 20% better Alien movie. What makes a good movie and what makes a great sequel/prequel/movie in an established universe are two different sets of things. A good movie can be a good moviein itself but at the same time an absolutely terrible sequel/prequel/movie in an established universe. If you're working on an original idea then all bets are off, but if the work you're doing is in the exact same universe as preceding works then it needs to follow the lore of that universe - or at least NOT contradict previously established things. And you have to ask yourself - is the story that you're telling belonging in this universe? Does it enrich it? Does it bring something new? And by this you answer if the movie is worth actually making from an art point of view. Would you like to see a modern version of the Mona Lisa painted in 3D on a computer? What if this art would have a blonde woman in it? With curly hair? And skimpy clothing? It can be a great work of art in itself, but has no business piggy backing on the Mona Lisa original. As another example, there is a school of thought to subvert expectations by writing really dumb stuff, whereas you could subvert expectations in a manner that fits the universe. Star Wars VII, VIII, IX, Prometheus, Alien: Covenant and a lot of other works basically step all over established lore to tell submediocre stories, thus harming the universe in the process. I mean with Star Wars there's a whole 'nother can of worms - they literally made a huge part of the universe that exists non-canon. Why would you discard a lot of good stuff just so you can push your sub-mediocre stuff is beyond me, but hey, it's their IP, they do with it what they wish. I just can't be over the moon about it.
colordrops 5y ago
2049 was directed by Denis Villeneuve. Ridley Scott hasn't done anything well in decades. I don't expect this new one to be good.
- tehnub 5y ago
  The Martian was 2015 and I thought that wasn't bad. Ridley Scott is 84 now though…
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  That isn't true. The first season of Raised by Wolves is a masterpiece and key episodes (some of its best) were directed by him. It's gnostic existential sci-fi horror with gorgeous set-pieces and style evocative of LOT 2046's more out there designs. Amanda Collin's emulation of an android is the best I've ever seen.
  - konart 5y ago
    >The first season of Raised by Wolves is a masterpiece What? It's so poorly written it's even amazing.
    - emptysongglass 5y ago
      You don't offer any evidence for a rebuttal. But I'd be happy to address specifics you believe are examples of its poor writing. When making critical comments, can you please use more substantive words than "amazing" without evidence? There's no content there on its own. What examples do you have from the series that cause you surprise or wonder (in the negative)? I believe the existential meditations on a largely evil demiurge figure are fresh takes in the genre. The birth of a serpent from an android's body that could be the insane prison warden of a far-flung planet and the odd forms of punishment the Mithraic people mete out (like the explosive helmet tethered to an android caretaker) are lovely adornments on a thoughtfully realized world.
      - konart 5y ago
markdestouches 5y ago
Am I the only one who hated the sequel? Nonsensical plot with flat characters and broody hero wandering wistfully on the backdrop of orange smoke.
- novok 5y ago
  It's more visual art movie than a movie with any emotional affect to the characters for me.
- recursiveturtle 5y ago
  You're not alone. Denis has a great technical eye but Sicario so far is his closest to a great film. Speaking of technical merits slipping a Mickey to a parched audience, see: The Mandalorian.
  - iamacyborg 5y ago
    Sicario sets a pretty high standard though, it’s a very good movie.
  - alamortsubite 5y ago
    I disagree. It's highly subjective but I think Prisoners is much better than Sicario. Enemy is very good, too, and I'd probably rate it his second best. I still haven't seen the Dune remake, however.
- mikro2nd 5y ago
  You're not alone. I didn't make it past the first 30 minutes or so. Utter rubbish, cashing in on the classic original.
- olvy0 5y ago
  Yeah, I didn't like the sequel too. It felt emotionally flat, I just couldn't connect, and the plot made no sense, or rather I felt I didn't care enough to try to make sense of it. I tried seeing it a second time, but just couldn't connect to anything. Ironically it felt like something that was written and directed by an android (or rather, a replicant) trying to imitate emotions and symbolism. Loved the original 1982 film and saw it many times, read and written about it, and know it by heart by now. So I was disappointed, but not too much, I expect this much from sequels. It's tough making a successful one.
jareklupinski 5y ago
Tying yourself to the established canon is limiting in a lot of respects, but I think successfully pulling off a fulfilling sequel would mean a lot more for fans. Critics would probably also notice the attention to thematic continuity and pull the public in :)

kirso 5y ago

Agreed. At this point I am just happy there is any kind of great piece of sci-fi coming out. I think since Expanse it has been quite hard to find anything worth watching in that space.

iamacyborg 5y ago
Dune is pretty fantastic. It’s definitely not a movie that’s best enjoyed with tv speakers though.
- kirso 5y ago
  For sure, seems like just Marvelification of all movies has been really annoying. Everything has the same style / humour and vagueness.

mhh__ 5y ago

It really cruxes on their being a story to tell. It's like people asking if they're going to do another film with K? (Which I think is symptom of cinema being saturated with feel good movies where there is no conflict or sacrifice, possibly in funny costumes...). He's utterly finished at the end of 2049, there isn't any more to say. I don't know what it would look like but I think a relatively obvious road to go down would probably the ethics of general AI in computers. If you do have your own Joi, is she a slave? Does she "is", at all? I really hope they land it if it gets made, although at worst it'll probably be a really pretty if confusing mess, which is better than most TV shows.

thinkingkong 5y ago

2049 was dennis Villeneuve though. The same person behind sicario, arrival, and dune. If anything the endorsement goes the other way.

rsync 5y ago
God ... Sicario is so good ...
Cosmin_C 5y ago
I agree, when Ridley Scott does something nowadays all I can think about is how he will ruin it. Villeneuve is an absolutely amazing director, but my personal feelings towards Ridley Scott after Prometheus and Alien Covenant is that he should retire, his job in ruining the Alien universe is done.
- danielrpa 5y ago
  <Prometheus spoilers> Prometheus had some good pieces - I particularly enjoyed the travel to the alien world and its vistas. Arguably this is 90% special effects instead of talented directing, but worthy of my time nonetheless. The movie does fall apart when they start exploring, though...
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y ago
  For what it's worth, I watched Prometheus before watching Alien and loved it. I think it's a great film on its own, and the people I've met who didn't like it expressed sentiments similar to yours (ruining the Alien universe").
  - Cosmin_C 5y ago
    I'll try and write some thoughts on this so maybe you can understand where I'm coming from. I feel that a lot that makes Prometheus a good movie in itself is how it's paced and the graphical effects, albeit it still suffers from bad writing in a lot of places. The story per-se however is a complete dumpster fire because it changes and retcons the Alien universe lore to fit a story that perhaps didn't need to be told. At the same time there were deleted scenes that literally would have added 10-15 minutes to the run time and would have made it at least a 20% better Alien movie. What makes a good movie and what makes a great sequel/prequel/movie in an established universe are two different sets of things. A good movie can be a good moviein itself but at the same time an absolutely terrible sequel/prequel/movie in an established universe. If you're working on an original idea then all bets are off, but if the work you're doing is in the exact same universe as preceding works then it needs to follow the lore of that universe - or at least NOT contradict previously established things. And you have to ask yourself - is the story that you're telling belonging in this universe? Does it enrich it? Does it bring something new? And by this you answer if the movie is worth actually making from an art point of view. Would you like to see a modern version of the Mona Lisa painted in 3D on a computer? What if this art would have a blonde woman in it? With curly hair? And skimpy clothing? It can be a great work of art in itself, but has no business piggy backing on the Mona Lisa original. As another example, there is a school of thought to subvert expectations by writing really dumb stuff, whereas you could subvert expectations in a manner that fits the universe. Star Wars VII, VIII, IX, Prometheus, Alien: Covenant and a lot of other works basically step all over established lore to tell submediocre stories, thus harming the universe in the process. I mean with Star Wars there's a whole 'nother can of worms - they literally made a huge part of the universe that exists non-canon. Why would you discard a lot of good stuff just so you can push your sub-mediocre stuff is beyond me, but hey, it's their IP, they do with it what they wish. I just can't be over the moon about it.

colordrops 5y ago

2049 was directed by Denis Villeneuve. Ridley Scott hasn't done anything well in decades. I don't expect this new one to be good.

tehnub 5y ago
The Martian was 2015 and I thought that wasn't bad. Ridley Scott is 84 now though…
emptysongglass 5y ago
That isn't true. The first season of Raised by Wolves is a masterpiece and key episodes (some of its best) were directed by him. It's gnostic existential sci-fi horror with gorgeous set-pieces and style evocative of LOT 2046's more out there designs. Amanda Collin's emulation of an android is the best I've ever seen.
- konart 5y ago
  >The first season of Raised by Wolves is a masterpiece What? It's so poorly written it's even amazing.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    You don't offer any evidence for a rebuttal. But I'd be happy to address specifics you believe are examples of its poor writing. When making critical comments, can you please use more substantive words than "amazing" without evidence? There's no content there on its own. What examples do you have from the series that cause you surprise or wonder (in the negative)? I believe the existential meditations on a largely evil demiurge figure are fresh takes in the genre. The birth of a serpent from an android's body that could be the insane prison warden of a far-flung planet and the odd forms of punishment the Mithraic people mete out (like the explosive helmet tethered to an android caretaker) are lovely adornments on a thoughtfully realized world.
    - konart 5y ago

markdestouches 5y ago

Am I the only one who hated the sequel? Nonsensical plot with flat characters and broody hero wandering wistfully on the backdrop of orange smoke.

novok 5y ago
It's more visual art movie than a movie with any emotional affect to the characters for me.
recursiveturtle 5y ago
You're not alone. Denis has a great technical eye but Sicario so far is his closest to a great film. Speaking of technical merits slipping a Mickey to a parched audience, see: The Mandalorian.
- iamacyborg 5y ago
  Sicario sets a pretty high standard though, it’s a very good movie.
- alamortsubite 5y ago
  I disagree. It's highly subjective but I think Prisoners is much better than Sicario. Enemy is very good, too, and I'd probably rate it his second best. I still haven't seen the Dune remake, however.
mikro2nd 5y ago
You're not alone. I didn't make it past the first 30 minutes or so. Utter rubbish, cashing in on the classic original.
olvy0 5y ago
Yeah, I didn't like the sequel too. It felt emotionally flat, I just couldn't connect, and the plot made no sense, or rather I felt I didn't care enough to try to make sense of it. I tried seeing it a second time, but just couldn't connect to anything. Ironically it felt like something that was written and directed by an android (or rather, a replicant) trying to imitate emotions and symbolism. Loved the original 1982 film and saw it many times, read and written about it, and know it by heart by now. So I was disappointed, but not too much, I expect this much from sequels. It's tough making a successful one.

jareklupinski 5y ago

Tying yourself to the established canon is limiting in a lot of respects, but I think successfully pulling off a fulfilling sequel would mean a lot more for fans. Critics would probably also notice the attention to thematic continuity and pull the public in :)