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Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world it would make sense if the idiot racists causing problems here come from the same source - a

Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world it would make sense if the idiot racists causing problems here come from the same source - a prison release or probationary placement program, a racist union head or hiring manager, or whatever. Something is accumulating racist people, or allowing them to build up. The scope of the problem depends on whether it's a systemic issue like described above, or a really prolific small number of people causing problems. The lack of appropriate management hints that there's a problem in the upper levels, so some guy might be giving jobs to ex convicts or some other group of racists. Some nasty bubble of deficient humans seems to have infected that plant.

kbelder 5y ago
Or it's not true.
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gumby 5y ago
> Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world… Was this ironic? I live in the Bay Area, and while I know there are worse places for racism in the US (and have lived in some of them) the conduct in the complaint did not surprise me at all.
- t-3 5y ago
  If this type of racism is common in California, the marketing has been very good at making it seem otherwise! I wouldn't expect such blatant racial animosity even in the deep south. It's 2022, seriously.
  - gumby 5y ago
    I don’t receive it myself, but when I, with my mother I am exposed to it all the time. New England is particularly bad, MN, and yes, non urban south. Sadly, all countries I’ve visited appear to have these problems to one degree or the other, though manifested in different ways. I just mentioned the US because this was in the Bay Area.
- Nasrudith 5y ago
  Open segregation in a workplace is rare due to the "corporate Darwinism" involved with large legal liabilities. So I think that qualifies even with many other real and significant problems of racism.
braingenious 5y ago
>Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world... I've got some bad news for you regarding racism and the "real world." I have personally been called the n word to my face (recently!) in the rich, liberal and post-racist utopia that is California. Heck, I was a block away from Ty Warner's palatial mansion on the beach, not some podunk biker bar in Mississippi or whatever other imagined place people like to think "real" racism comes from. I think you'd be utterly blown away what sort of stuff the Malibu/Calabasas/Montecito/Mountain View/etc. types call their Hispanic house workers!
- motoxpro 5y ago
  Totally. Same places, experiences here. Because people don't see it in their daily lives (i.e. I dont get discriminated against on a regular basis) they believe it doesnt exist.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  Out of interactions with 100,000 people, how many are racist dipshits? 2 or 3? You'll have another couple dozen "ignorant, but want to hurt or provoke you" that use racist slurs. There's a difference between ignorant behavior and racist beliefs. Hurtful language in a brief confrontation is an insufficient criteria to identify "real" racism unless you're radically changing the meaning of the word. Getting called a name is a reason to look for racism, but it's more likely to be the result of testosterone fueled heat of the moment stupidity than a belief about people based on the color of their skin. An astonishingly large proportion of people in the US are decent, fair dealing, hero of their own story, regular old homo sapiens. Get rid of the political noise and we have an overly civil and decent society literally unmatched in history in its liberal and tolerant values. There are boomer holdouts that aren't on board with sex stuff, some racist clusters with objectively racist beliefs, but the rainbow coalition and civil rights activists have won those battles in the culture war. There are fewer than 9000 kkk members left in the US, down from millions at their peak. There's a couple or 5 times more neonazis. (There's some probably unconstitutional ongoing surveillance of extremists by the fbi and nsa resulting in good yearly reporting that congress and the public and activist groups tolerate, I guess because fuck those people.) It's not that there isn't room for improvement, that there aren't objectively bad things that we need to resolve. I don't want to trivialize the remaining challenges we face in making society better. I just think it's a good idea to recognize that what's apparently happening at this Tesla plant is extremely unusual. If it's a bad as alleged, it needs to be overhauled aggressively, and the person or people that brought about the cluster of racists needs to be kicked to the curb.

kbelder 5y ago

Or it's not true.

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gumby 5y ago

> Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world… Was this ironic? I live in the Bay Area, and while I know there are worse places for racism in the US (and have lived in some of them) the conduct in the complaint did not surprise me at all.

t-3 5y ago
If this type of racism is common in California, the marketing has been very good at making it seem otherwise! I wouldn't expect such blatant racial animosity even in the deep south. It's 2022, seriously.
- gumby 5y ago
  I don’t receive it myself, but when I, with my mother I am exposed to it all the time. New England is particularly bad, MN, and yes, non urban south. Sadly, all countries I’ve visited appear to have these problems to one degree or the other, though manifested in different ways. I just mentioned the US because this was in the Bay Area.
Nasrudith 5y ago
Open segregation in a workplace is rare due to the "corporate Darwinism" involved with large legal liabilities. So I think that qualifies even with many other real and significant problems of racism.

braingenious 5y ago

>Given that such blatant racism is so uncommon out in the real world... I've got some bad news for you regarding racism and the "real world." I have personally been called the n word to my face (recently!) in the rich, liberal and post-racist utopia that is California. Heck, I was a block away from Ty Warner's palatial mansion on the beach, not some podunk biker bar in Mississippi or whatever other imagined place people like to think "real" racism comes from. I think you'd be utterly blown away what sort of stuff the Malibu/Calabasas/Montecito/Mountain View/etc. types call their Hispanic house workers!

motoxpro 5y ago
Totally. Same places, experiences here. Because people don't see it in their daily lives (i.e. I dont get discriminated against on a regular basis) they believe it doesnt exist.
robbedpeter 5y ago
Out of interactions with 100,000 people, how many are racist dipshits? 2 or 3? You'll have another couple dozen "ignorant, but want to hurt or provoke you" that use racist slurs. There's a difference between ignorant behavior and racist beliefs. Hurtful language in a brief confrontation is an insufficient criteria to identify "real" racism unless you're radically changing the meaning of the word. Getting called a name is a reason to look for racism, but it's more likely to be the result of testosterone fueled heat of the moment stupidity than a belief about people based on the color of their skin. An astonishingly large proportion of people in the US are decent, fair dealing, hero of their own story, regular old homo sapiens. Get rid of the political noise and we have an overly civil and decent society literally unmatched in history in its liberal and tolerant values. There are boomer holdouts that aren't on board with sex stuff, some racist clusters with objectively racist beliefs, but the rainbow coalition and civil rights activists have won those battles in the culture war. There are fewer than 9000 kkk members left in the US, down from millions at their peak. There's a couple or 5 times more neonazis. (There's some probably unconstitutional ongoing surveillance of extremists by the fbi and nsa resulting in good yearly reporting that congress and the public and activist groups tolerate, I guess because fuck those people.) It's not that there isn't room for improvement, that there aren't objectively bad things that we need to resolve. I don't want to trivialize the remaining challenges we face in making society better. I just think it's a good idea to recognize that what's apparently happening at this Tesla plant is extremely unusual. If it's a bad as alleged, it needs to be overhauled aggressively, and the person or people that brought about the cluster of racists needs to be kicked to the curb.