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Wow. The allegations are horrifying, almost fantastically so. I have a hard time believing them, honestly. My midwestern state is supposed to be far less progre

by t-3 5y ago

Wow. The allegations are horrifying, almost fantastically so. I have a hard time believing them, honestly. My midwestern state is supposed to be far less progressive and more racist than CA, but I've never encountered such blatant racism in any workplace here (and I have worked exclusively in low-wage manufacturing and retail, not anywhere "professional").

metadat 5y ago
Likewise, except I've never witnessed blatant racism in either "manual labor -land" or professional-land. The claims do bring back memories of being a middle schooler in the bay area, though. Kids can be quite unenlightened, predictably so if they aren't taught better. Parental and close familial norms also seem to play a significant role in shaping you children's attitudes. Additionally, confederate flag tattoos flashed by colleagues at work? Really? Inappropriate. This isn't the yard at San Quentin Federal Prison pressing and assembling y'alls' Teslas; this is claimed to be at the dear NUMI plant in Fremont, right alongside a very diverse and distinctive community. There's just no place for these things in real-life business. What is the goal with the outrageous claims? Why would management tolerate any significant amount of episodes before clamping down. It doesn't make sense.. What does Tesla have to gain by tolerating any amount of the claws behavior?
partisan 5y ago
I think it can happen anywhere where these sentiments are allowed to rear their heads. It only takes a few people to create this atmosphere, but if the culture of the organization turns a blind eye then this can be disproportionately detrimental to the people targeted by harassment. Calling the lawsuit "counterproductive" is troubling as well as it almost sounds like they felt the situation was previously productive, i.e. moving in a positive direction.
ecf 5y ago
It’s not really a surprise if you’re familiar with the area. Workers commuting from the Central Valley, which would be a good chunk of those at the Fremont plant, can be incredibly racist.
gregjor 5y ago
I grew up in California (LA) and lived in SF for almost 20 years. Racism isn’t exclusive to the Midwest or South. There’s plenty of racism and other bigotry in California, even in the supposedly progressive areas. Management sets the tone and allows bad behavior. I don’t know if the Tesla allegations are true or not, but I’m not surprised given what I’ve read about the company.
fooker 5y ago
>far less progressive and more racist than CA As an Indian guy who has lived in both California and Utah, California is far more racist than Utah (and neighboring states), almost comically so.

by t-3 5y ago

metadat 5y ago

Likewise, except I've never witnessed blatant racism in either "manual labor -land" or professional-land. The claims do bring back memories of being a middle schooler in the bay area, though. Kids can be quite unenlightened, predictably so if they aren't taught better. Parental and close familial norms also seem to play a significant role in shaping you children's attitudes. Additionally, confederate flag tattoos flashed by colleagues at work? Really? Inappropriate. This isn't the yard at San Quentin Federal Prison pressing and assembling y'alls' Teslas; this is claimed to be at the dear NUMI plant in Fremont, right alongside a very diverse and distinctive community. There's just no place for these things in real-life business. What is the goal with the outrageous claims? Why would management tolerate any significant amount of episodes before clamping down. It doesn't make sense.. What does Tesla have to gain by tolerating any amount of the claws behavior?

partisan 5y ago

I think it can happen anywhere where these sentiments are allowed to rear their heads. It only takes a few people to create this atmosphere, but if the culture of the organization turns a blind eye then this can be disproportionately detrimental to the people targeted by harassment. Calling the lawsuit "counterproductive" is troubling as well as it almost sounds like they felt the situation was previously productive, i.e. moving in a positive direction.

ecf 5y ago

It’s not really a surprise if you’re familiar with the area. Workers commuting from the Central Valley, which would be a good chunk of those at the Fremont plant, can be incredibly racist.

gregjor 5y ago

I grew up in California (LA) and lived in SF for almost 20 years. Racism isn’t exclusive to the Midwest or South. There’s plenty of racism and other bigotry in California, even in the supposedly progressive areas. Management sets the tone and allows bad behavior. I don’t know if the Tesla allegations are true or not, but I’m not surprised given what I’ve read about the company.

fooker 5y ago

>far less progressive and more racist than CA As an Indian guy who has lived in both California and Utah, California is far more racist than Utah (and neighboring states), almost comically so.