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What's your view on how this proposal compares to Apple's PCM? Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall ha

What's your view on how this proposal compares to Apple's PCM? Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall harmful for users? > What Facebook would be happy with is as much data as they're allowed to have. Indeed. However, platform owners like Apple and Google are currently in a privileged position, where they make rules for others to follow but are free to collect any and all data they want. > While we believe that Apple’s move to eliminate IDFA was done in the spirit of advancing consumer privacy, it may ultimately provide Apple with an advertising platform that is competitively advantaged vs. peers who don’t have access to Apple’s richer APIs

pseudalopex 5y ago
> Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall harmful for users? The rest of your comment suggested they want to track users.
danShumway 5y ago
> What's your view on how this proposal compares to Apple's PCM? Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall harmful for users? It's always tricky to talk about Apple's positions on privacy. In some areas they are very good, but in some areas they are very good at appearing to be very good. I think that Apple itself wants to be able to do some level of attribution on the web. I think that Apple is under a lot more stress from regulators than Mozilla is. Obviously Apple has an inherent interest in making it look like that's not the case and that they're just solely on the side of privacy. I also think your concern about Apple/Google privileging their own platforms is completely accurate. However, I don't think that the solution to that is to make privacy worse in other areas, I would rather see Apple/Google hold themselves to the same standards that they hold other companies. In short, I'm not angry at Apple for the changes it's making because they hurt Facebook, I'm angry at Apple for either ignoring those changes itself or making sure that those changes don't apply to parts of iOS and the web that are important to Apple. This has come up a couple of times with iOS; it's good that 3rd-party apps have more restrictions on tracking, I wish the built-in apps were the same.

pseudalopex 5y ago

> Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall harmful for users? The rest of your comment suggested they want to track users.

danShumway 5y ago

> What's your view on how this proposal compares to Apple's PCM? Why is Apple building a similar way for 3rd parties to reliably track users if this is overall harmful for users? It's always tricky to talk about Apple's positions on privacy. In some areas they are very good, but in some areas they are very good at appearing to be very good. I think that Apple itself wants to be able to do some level of attribution on the web. I think that Apple is under a lot more stress from regulators than Mozilla is. Obviously Apple has an inherent interest in making it look like that's not the case and that they're just solely on the side of privacy. I also think your concern about Apple/Google privileging their own platforms is completely accurate. However, I don't think that the solution to that is to make privacy worse in other areas, I would rather see Apple/Google hold themselves to the same standards that they hold other companies. In short, I'm not angry at Apple for the changes it's making because they hurt Facebook, I'm angry at Apple for either ignoring those changes itself or making sure that those changes don't apply to parts of iOS and the web that are important to Apple. This has come up a couple of times with iOS; it's good that 3rd-party apps have more restrictions on tracking, I wish the built-in apps were the same.