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> 1. Siloing off the EU facebook, with no contact with the US That's already business as usual with China, but companies like Facebook have absolutely no probl

by fivea 5y ago

> 1. Siloing off the EU facebook, with no contact with the US That's already business as usual with China, but companies like Facebook have absolutely no problem with that silo as it protects them and benefits their bottom line. But somehow, use cases that protect users, those suddenly pose major blockers.

sidhanthp 5y ago
I don't think that's business as usual in China. I don't think Facebook operates there.
smoldesu 5y ago
Can you direct me to the evidence suggesting that Facebook/Meta operates in China? My understanding is that the only FAANG corporation that deals with the CCP is Apple, who has gone beyond siloing content and straight-up relocated a portion of their servers to the country.
- filoleg 5y ago
  Don’t forget about Azure (Microsoft) and AWS (Amazon).
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Doesn't FB ad-tech operate in China?
- fmajid 5y ago
  Facebook operates in Hong Kong, which is part of China, as Hong-Kongers are learning to their dismay as their special status is being dismantled.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    If China manages to assimilate them back into the mainland, I seriously doubt that Facebook would continue to provide service to their citizens.
dntrkv 5y ago
> Facebook have absolutely no problem with that silo It's less that they don't have a problem with the silo and more that they don't have a choice. Are you really advocating for siloing European and North American internet?
- ben_w 5y ago
  About 2010, I realised that siloing the internet is basically the only way for nations to remain fully sovereign — can’t enforce laws on copyright, libel, porn, personal data protection, un-accredited education, scams, hacking, gambling, false or misleading advertising, unregulated political advertising[0], indecent communications, malicious communications, menacing communications, nor treasonous/seditious communications, when the people doing it are in a country you don’t have a treaty with. This is not to say I “want” this — what I want is for everyone in the world to be one big happy group of friends, but I don’t know how to get there from here, and silos look to me like the next thing that will happen. [0] I don’t know how it works in most places, but in the UK there are Rules: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-regulates-political-advertising/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-regulates-political...
thebean11 5y ago
> but companies like Facebook have absolutely no problem with that silo Do you honestly think that's true? I bet they'd move mountains to remove that silo if they could.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Even if they voice their concerns, they do it in a very quiet way.
- deleted 5y ago
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- fivea 5y ago
  > Do you honestly think that's true? Think? I know for a fact it's true. In fact, do you know a single company operating in China that doesn't silo away their China operations?
  - thebean11 5y ago
    Yes, they do silo. Nobody is claiming otherwise. My point is that they'd almost certainly prefer not to; they are siloing to comply with Chinese laws. What makes you think they have "absolutely no problem with it"? You don't think it would be operationally simpler and more profitable to allow communication between Chinese and non-Chinese accounts?
    - fivea 5y ago
      > they are siloing to comply with Chinese laws. No, not really. Companies operating in China silo their services because Chinese laws demand access to servers, and by siloing the company ensures that the Chinese regime does keep it's hands off stuff they have no business accessing. Siloing services in China has zero to do with CCP's demands and everything to do with a company's self-interest.
      - thebean11 5y ago
        It sounds like you're saying CCIP demands access to servers -> companys silo to protect data from CCP But then claim siloing has "zero to do with CCP's demands". Having trouble understanding this logic.
partiallypro 5y ago
Facebook doesn't operate in China, and other companies would love to remove the restrictions China puts on them.

by fivea 5y ago

sidhanthp 5y ago

I don't think that's business as usual in China. I don't think Facebook operates there.

smoldesu 5y ago

Can you direct me to the evidence suggesting that Facebook/Meta operates in China? My understanding is that the only FAANG corporation that deals with the CCP is Apple, who has gone beyond siloing content and straight-up relocated a portion of their servers to the country.

filoleg 5y ago
Don’t forget about Azure (Microsoft) and AWS (Amazon).
sudosysgen 5y ago
Doesn't FB ad-tech operate in China?
fmajid 5y ago
Facebook operates in Hong Kong, which is part of China, as Hong-Kongers are learning to their dismay as their special status is being dismantled.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  If China manages to assimilate them back into the mainland, I seriously doubt that Facebook would continue to provide service to their citizens.

dntrkv 5y ago

> Facebook have absolutely no problem with that silo It's less that they don't have a problem with the silo and more that they don't have a choice. Are you really advocating for siloing European and North American internet?

ben_w 5y ago
About 2010, I realised that siloing the internet is basically the only way for nations to remain fully sovereign — can’t enforce laws on copyright, libel, porn, personal data protection, un-accredited education, scams, hacking, gambling, false or misleading advertising, unregulated political advertising[0], indecent communications, malicious communications, menacing communications, nor treasonous/seditious communications, when the people doing it are in a country you don’t have a treaty with. This is not to say I “want” this — what I want is for everyone in the world to be one big happy group of friends, but I don’t know how to get there from here, and silos look to me like the next thing that will happen. [0] I don’t know how it works in most places, but in the UK there are Rules: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-regulates-political-advertising/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-regulates-political...

thebean11 5y ago

> but companies like Facebook have absolutely no problem with that silo Do you honestly think that's true? I bet they'd move mountains to remove that silo if they could.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
Even if they voice their concerns, they do it in a very quiet way.
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fivea 5y ago
> Do you honestly think that's true? Think? I know for a fact it's true. In fact, do you know a single company operating in China that doesn't silo away their China operations?
- thebean11 5y ago
  Yes, they do silo. Nobody is claiming otherwise. My point is that they'd almost certainly prefer not to; they are siloing to comply with Chinese laws. What makes you think they have "absolutely no problem with it"? You don't think it would be operationally simpler and more profitable to allow communication between Chinese and non-Chinese accounts?
  - fivea 5y ago
    > they are siloing to comply with Chinese laws. No, not really. Companies operating in China silo their services because Chinese laws demand access to servers, and by siloing the company ensures that the Chinese regime does keep it's hands off stuff they have no business accessing. Siloing services in China has zero to do with CCP's demands and everything to do with a company's self-interest.
    - thebean11 5y ago
      It sounds like you're saying CCIP demands access to servers -> companys silo to protect data from CCP But then claim siloing has "zero to do with CCP's demands". Having trouble understanding this logic.

partiallypro 5y ago

Facebook doesn't operate in China, and other companies would love to remove the restrictions China puts on them.