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I was curious about this subject and found a video[0] of a couple whose house is about the same distance (1600 feet or 487 meters)... In this case the turbine

I was curious about this subject and found a video[0] of a couple whose house is about the same distance (1600 feet or 487 meters)... In this case the turbine even casts a shadow on their home and property which is SUPER jarring. I'm not sure people realize but wind turbines are pretty darn loud (check at 2:55 in the video), that's exactly what they sound like at times. There's honestly zero excuse to build something that loud anywhere within audible range of peoples' homes. [0] https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c

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pasabagi 5y ago
How does that compare in dB to a road? PS: checked it out myself, from some light googling: Road decibel levels are about 55 dB (averaged over a day) for about 30% of the EU population. Wind turbines are supposedly 43 decibels if they are within a few hundred meters of a house. I guess it probably varies a lot depending on the turbine in question.
- themaninthedark 5y ago
  Difference is that road noise would be varying and mostly abate at night. Wind turbine noise would be constant with wind speed at all hours.
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    On the other hand, roads are dirty, polluting, and occasionally kill your cat.
    - coldtea 5y ago
      On the other other hand, those islands and places didn't have any significant traffic. So, it's not like an additional similar noise to what they've been used to, just less polluting and dangerous for their cat. It's a new noise level they're forced to put up with.
    - mlac 5y ago
      Fans occasionally kill your birds and the neighborhood bald eagle.
- coldtea 5y ago
  >How does that compare in dB to a road? Even if it compared it wouldn't make it much better, because those islands don't have any sizable traffic on roads - and almost insignificant near those villages. So, its like suddenly they have to put up with road-level noise (if not worse), on their remote village in some remote island - and not even from their own cars. At those distances it's like suddenly all around your village there's a airconditioner-level noise... Mighty annoying to people who have enjoyed mostly nature-level silence for all of their lives...
  - smileysteve 5y ago
    > its like suddenly they have to put up with road-level Not at all. Db is not linear, so "suddenly have to put up with" "about 1/4 of the noise." Would be more accurate. An example difference of 12db is a muffled idling compact car versus a consumer lawnmower at 10'.
    - coldtea 5y ago
      >An example difference of 12db is a muffled idling compact car versus a consumer lawnmower at 10'. Yeah, I know what a difference of -Xdb is, as I do audio production work. Another example of 12db difference is a blender vs a vacuum cleaner. But despite it being -12db lower (or even a little more), I wouldn't stand to listen to the latter, still. So it's not just the difference that matters, it's the initial level. The actual noise level they now have to put up with didn't exist in their village, and what did exist didn't have the specific sound / frequency distribution - so it's still annoying - maddening even, if you need to suffer because some others decided to put those things a few hundred meters near you.
- musicale 5y ago
  Road noise is nothing compared to the horror of aircraft noise in US cities. Average noise level doesn't tell you the frequency spectrum; the low frequency noise from (aircraft, roads, power plants, etc.) is particularly unbearable, and inescapable even inside sound-insulated buildings, while the high frequency noise from (aircraft, turbines, 24/7 emergency vehicles, etc.) hits the 5KHz "crying baby" peak of sensitivity in human hearing.
  - pixl97 5y ago
    Are aircraft somehow quieter in EU cities?
    - pasabagi 5y ago
      Seems so? This[0] paper was a bit above my head, but seemed to be premised on the notion that the EU had stricter noise regulations (although that could be counterbalanced by the relative population density of the EU). [0]: https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&context=jalc https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&con...
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > How does that compare in dB That is statistics as blurred images :) Compare 55dB of, say, so-called "musical impressionism" to 43db of "hardcore techno"...
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    Which is which, though? I mainly wanted to do a dB comparison so there's a reference to how this 'torture' compares to other, normal experiences. If they had made this point of fact explicit in the article, then maybe they would have went on to explain how the particular sound profile of the wind turbines was somehow worse (hopefully with evidence!) than it seems at first blush. Since they didn't, it's pretty clear to me that the writer or editor has either woeful research practices, deficient intellect, or a private interest. My money is on the last one: lots of wealthy, well-connected people own holiday homes that lose value when people build turbines near them.
    - mdp2021 5y ago
      > it's pretty clear to me ... deficient intellect What?!?!?!? I clearly stated it: sound amplitude has nothing to do with it - that can be a source of torture, or may not: it is the shape and duration of the sound. If you thought that this 'torture' can be compared to other experiences through a dB value, you are not entitled to write about deficiency. Be informed: certain noise is a nuisance with one wearing white noise inside earmuffs over earpugs. That abates decibels, yet can make the effect even worse. They have not «went on to explain how the particular sound profile of the wind turbines» because it's not needed at all, you do not normally need to convince the public: if you yourself do not believe that those things are a nuisance, go listen to one! And even if someone played "bearable", you know: that's your feeling, go live or just stay near one if you want; others have passed by them, remained in shock, and now avoid them, with some relative difficulty, because there are territories around the world that do not offer that much space left, which increases the fear as "deficient intellects" are all around and many voices has raised lately "let us multiply those turbines", which translates to some as "let us adopt silver bullet solutions which are popular: let us give the public what they want", "careful what you wish for" for "deficient intellects". If a speaker is naive in thinking that the public can receive a message, that is not even 'intellect' at fault - it's 'outellect'. The inside may work very well, it's the outside that does not duly reflect expectations.
NobodyNada 5y ago
That link didn't work for me (returned a 403), apparently it's just a weird YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c&t=175 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c&t=175
- amatecha 5y ago
  Yeah, Invidious[0] is an alternative front-end for YouTube so you can avoid ads & tracking. Another host: https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c [0] https://invidious.io/ https://invidious.io/
  - tqi 5y ago
    ...to avoid tracking I should click on a sketchy download pop-up?
    - amatecha 5y ago
      "Sketchy download popup"? Not sure what you're talking about. I see no such popup (nor any popup/modal/interstitial/ad/interruption of any sort) on either site I linked. Viewed from two different OSes and browsers.
      - tqi 5y ago
        iOS Safari, I get a popup that says "Do you want to download 'watch'?"
        amatecha 5y ago
        Hrm, strange. Tried on iOS and didn't encounter that. However, the fact it's trying to download "watch" (which is the path of the page in the URL) leads me to suspect there was a server issue that caused it to return the page as a file instead of actually serving it as a normal HTML page. /shrug
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8bitsrule 5y ago
Found that video working on Youtube using the same 'v=' code. At one point (2:50) the video (attributed to the 'Allegheny Highlands Alliance'[0]; executive producer an M.D.) plays a sound labelled 'turbine noise during winter'. It's very loud ... I wouldn't spend an hour in that noise. But was the noise recorded near the turbine(s)? And considering the turbine(s) are 530 yards (almost 1/3 mile) away from the home, those shadows falling on the building could only occur briefly near sunrise and sunset. Here are some decibel readings at an equivalent distance from a turbine site in England. 4 to 6 dB is a lot less noisy than the AHA video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgN2G9d0dc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgN2G9d0dc [0] https://alleghenyhighlandsalliance.org/ https://alleghenyhighlandsalliance.org/
- amatecha 5y ago
  Having gone offroading near wind turbines, depending on some conditions (I don't know if it's wind, temperature, or what), they really do sound like that, and for quite some distance. The one depicted in that video is WAY too close to any home. The fact it was approved/OK'ed absolutely blows my mind. I should dig up my videos of being up in the mountains near the wind turbines... though it's tough for any video to accurately convey the level of audible disturbance, of course.
- msrenee 5y ago
  As far as the shadow, I don't care enough to do the math, but they are exceptionally tall. It's trippy when you stand under one. Google gives me about 90 meters tall for some of the modern ones. I'd imagine they could cast a shadow a pretty long distance.

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pasabagi 5y ago

How does that compare in dB to a road? PS: checked it out myself, from some light googling: Road decibel levels are about 55 dB (averaged over a day) for about 30% of the EU population. Wind turbines are supposedly 43 decibels if they are within a few hundred meters of a house. I guess it probably varies a lot depending on the turbine in question.

themaninthedark 5y ago
Difference is that road noise would be varying and mostly abate at night. Wind turbine noise would be constant with wind speed at all hours.
- pasabagi 5y ago
  On the other hand, roads are dirty, polluting, and occasionally kill your cat.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    On the other other hand, those islands and places didn't have any significant traffic. So, it's not like an additional similar noise to what they've been used to, just less polluting and dangerous for their cat. It's a new noise level they're forced to put up with.
  - mlac 5y ago
    Fans occasionally kill your birds and the neighborhood bald eagle.
coldtea 5y ago
>How does that compare in dB to a road? Even if it compared it wouldn't make it much better, because those islands don't have any sizable traffic on roads - and almost insignificant near those villages. So, its like suddenly they have to put up with road-level noise (if not worse), on their remote village in some remote island - and not even from their own cars. At those distances it's like suddenly all around your village there's a airconditioner-level noise... Mighty annoying to people who have enjoyed mostly nature-level silence for all of their lives...
- smileysteve 5y ago
  > its like suddenly they have to put up with road-level Not at all. Db is not linear, so "suddenly have to put up with" "about 1/4 of the noise." Would be more accurate. An example difference of 12db is a muffled idling compact car versus a consumer lawnmower at 10'.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >An example difference of 12db is a muffled idling compact car versus a consumer lawnmower at 10'. Yeah, I know what a difference of -Xdb is, as I do audio production work. Another example of 12db difference is a blender vs a vacuum cleaner. But despite it being -12db lower (or even a little more), I wouldn't stand to listen to the latter, still. So it's not just the difference that matters, it's the initial level. The actual noise level they now have to put up with didn't exist in their village, and what did exist didn't have the specific sound / frequency distribution - so it's still annoying - maddening even, if you need to suffer because some others decided to put those things a few hundred meters near you.
musicale 5y ago
Road noise is nothing compared to the horror of aircraft noise in US cities. Average noise level doesn't tell you the frequency spectrum; the low frequency noise from (aircraft, roads, power plants, etc.) is particularly unbearable, and inescapable even inside sound-insulated buildings, while the high frequency noise from (aircraft, turbines, 24/7 emergency vehicles, etc.) hits the 5KHz "crying baby" peak of sensitivity in human hearing.
- pixl97 5y ago
  Are aircraft somehow quieter in EU cities?
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    Seems so? This[0] paper was a bit above my head, but seemed to be premised on the notion that the EU had stricter noise regulations (although that could be counterbalanced by the relative population density of the EU). [0]: https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&context=jalc https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&con...
mdp2021 5y ago
> How does that compare in dB That is statistics as blurred images :) Compare 55dB of, say, so-called "musical impressionism" to 43db of "hardcore techno"...
- pasabagi 5y ago
  Which is which, though? I mainly wanted to do a dB comparison so there's a reference to how this 'torture' compares to other, normal experiences. If they had made this point of fact explicit in the article, then maybe they would have went on to explain how the particular sound profile of the wind turbines was somehow worse (hopefully with evidence!) than it seems at first blush. Since they didn't, it's pretty clear to me that the writer or editor has either woeful research practices, deficient intellect, or a private interest. My money is on the last one: lots of wealthy, well-connected people own holiday homes that lose value when people build turbines near them.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    > it's pretty clear to me ... deficient intellect What?!?!?!? I clearly stated it: sound amplitude has nothing to do with it - that can be a source of torture, or may not: it is the shape and duration of the sound. If you thought that this 'torture' can be compared to other experiences through a dB value, you are not entitled to write about deficiency. Be informed: certain noise is a nuisance with one wearing white noise inside earmuffs over earpugs. That abates decibels, yet can make the effect even worse. They have not «went on to explain how the particular sound profile of the wind turbines» because it's not needed at all, you do not normally need to convince the public: if you yourself do not believe that those things are a nuisance, go listen to one! And even if someone played "bearable", you know: that's your feeling, go live or just stay near one if you want; others have passed by them, remained in shock, and now avoid them, with some relative difficulty, because there are territories around the world that do not offer that much space left, which increases the fear as "deficient intellects" are all around and many voices has raised lately "let us multiply those turbines", which translates to some as "let us adopt silver bullet solutions which are popular: let us give the public what they want", "careful what you wish for" for "deficient intellects". If a speaker is naive in thinking that the public can receive a message, that is not even 'intellect' at fault - it's 'outellect'. The inside may work very well, it's the outside that does not duly reflect expectations.

NobodyNada 5y ago

That link didn't work for me (returned a 403), apparently it's just a weird YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c&t=175 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c&t=175

amatecha 5y ago
Yeah, Invidious[0] is an alternative front-end for YouTube so you can avoid ads & tracking. Another host: https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=f7DQ3SgSg0c [0] https://invidious.io/ https://invidious.io/
- tqi 5y ago
  ...to avoid tracking I should click on a sketchy download pop-up?
  - amatecha 5y ago
    "Sketchy download popup"? Not sure what you're talking about. I see no such popup (nor any popup/modal/interstitial/ad/interruption of any sort) on either site I linked. Viewed from two different OSes and browsers.
    - tqi 5y ago
      iOS Safari, I get a popup that says "Do you want to download 'watch'?"
      - amatecha 5y ago
        Hrm, strange. Tried on iOS and didn't encounter that. However, the fact it's trying to download "watch" (which is the path of the page in the URL) leads me to suspect there was a server issue that caused it to return the page as a file instead of actually serving it as a normal HTML page. /shrug

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8bitsrule 5y ago

Found that video working on Youtube using the same 'v=' code. At one point (2:50) the video (attributed to the 'Allegheny Highlands Alliance'[0]; executive producer an M.D.) plays a sound labelled 'turbine noise during winter'. It's very loud ... I wouldn't spend an hour in that noise. But was the noise recorded near the turbine(s)? And considering the turbine(s) are 530 yards (almost 1/3 mile) away from the home, those shadows falling on the building could only occur briefly near sunrise and sunset. Here are some decibel readings at an equivalent distance from a turbine site in England. 4 to 6 dB is a lot less noisy than the AHA video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgN2G9d0dc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgN2G9d0dc [0] https://alleghenyhighlandsalliance.org/ https://alleghenyhighlandsalliance.org/

amatecha 5y ago
Having gone offroading near wind turbines, depending on some conditions (I don't know if it's wind, temperature, or what), they really do sound like that, and for quite some distance. The one depicted in that video is WAY too close to any home. The fact it was approved/OK'ed absolutely blows my mind. I should dig up my videos of being up in the mountains near the wind turbines... though it's tough for any video to accurately convey the level of audible disturbance, of course.
msrenee 5y ago
As far as the shadow, I don't care enough to do the math, but they are exceptionally tall. It's trippy when you stand under one. Google gives me about 90 meters tall for some of the modern ones. I'd imagine they could cast a shadow a pretty long distance.