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The worst of the bunch is tobacco. The effect is basically nothing, but it hurts ones health and wallet. I've done cocaine, marijuana, mdma, speed, xtc pills,

The worst of the bunch is tobacco. The effect is basically nothing, but it hurts ones health and wallet. I've done cocaine, marijuana, mdma, speed, xtc pills, and some research chemicals. Protips: don't smoke, and never combine any two drugs. If you really want a certain substance, do at least the first session with someone sober to keep an eye on you. Never accept drugs from strangers and don't give in to peer pressure (which can be pretty tough at times when self-confidence is lacking).

psyclobe 5y ago
Vaping is worse. Wrapped in a nebulous belief that it is probably a lot safer then the leaf form, it is mighty hard to give up. Mostly because you can vape anywhere and everywhere, constantly, making your body expect dopamine 24/7.
sjcoles 5y ago
Nicotine is a useful tool though. The latest round of tobacco free pouches are great and reduce risk to basically zero.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  A useful tool for what? I haven't used nicotine in a long time, but from what I recall the impact was basically zero unless I hadn't smoked in a while.
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  - sjcoles 5y ago
    It's a stimulant. It helps me concentrate and seems to help my working memory (which is already poor due to ADHD).
wpietri 5y ago
For some costumes, I have held an unlit cigar in my teeth. The effect for me is noticeable and strong, like caffeine but more so. I really liked it! Which is why I will never take up regular use of it.
petercooper 5y ago
I've never tried tobacco, but I did try nicotine last year after seeing it discussed in ADHD circles. Noticed no effect (beyond perhaps a mild caffeine-esque sensation early on) but forced myself to try it for a few weeks. The "cloud" aspect was amusing, but I forgot about the experiment months ago and have suffered not a jot for it since. Different strokes for different folks, because apparently it's usually one of the most addictive things going, yet I'd consider caffeine or sugar to be more so than whatever nicotine was doing for me.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  I used to smoke as a teenager, but I found it effortless to quit and never once considered smoking once I reached adulthood. At the same time my mother has tried to stop smoking countless times, and even now -- with COPD, requiring oxygen supplementation, and unable sometimes to make it up a short flight of stairs -- she still hasn't been able to quit despite trying many times. Weird how that works. (Also weird: she hid her smoking from us, though obviously everyone knew she smoked. She always smoked holed up in her bathroom. I suppose I always knew where I could steal a few cigarettes!)
- stryan 5y ago
  IIRC Tobacco has MAOI-inhibitors that help amplify the addictive/pleasurable properties of nicotine. So if you just consumed nicotine through gum/patch/old-school vape juice it would be more "difficult" to get addicted to it.
bodge5000 5y ago
Guess its just a matter of experience and perspective, because for me tobacco is the "best" due its lack of any effect on you mentally, even if it is pricey and bad for you. Though I guess Sugar is probably a bit better and has pretty much the same consequences. Regardless of your perspective though, I'd say heroin is absolutely the worst
- iSnow 5y ago
  Sugar is not a drug though and doesn't create addiction, maybe a mild dependence.
  - mrtranscendence 5y ago
    Sugar may not be a drug, but for some reason I had no trouble stopping smoking and have been unable in 40 years of life to quit overindulging in sugar despite many efforts to do so.
  - bodge5000 5y ago
    > Sugar is not a drug Define drug. One definition I found is "Drugs are substances that change a person's mental or physical state", which would included Sugar. > It does not create addiction It absolutely does. Not physically (or at least no more than any other substance, if you consume a massive amount of anything your body will become accustomed to it and you'll feel withdrawal symptoms), but nor is alcohol or a load of other "addictive" drugs
  - wanderer_ 5y ago
    It may not be a 'drug' in the traditional sense, but you can still become very addicted, and it can still harm you. Sugar addiction may even be more dangerous to society because of how common it is.
throwaway98749 5y ago
I disagree. As an addict (weed, alcohol, cocaine, and tobacco if you go that way), cocaine is much harder to quit than tobacco. But actually, telling that drug X is harder to quit that drug Y is a lie. For each person, each drug will be different. Maybe you struggle with tobacco, but that does not mean that its the worst. There's no worst, they're all equally bad.
- hn_version_0023 5y ago
  To underscore your point: cocaine was much easier to kick for me than tobacco. But neither had the grip that caffeine had on me! I’m pleased that all three are a distant memory now.
- actusual 5y ago
  The measure of "harder to quit" actually takes into account more than ones physical ability to actually give something up, all else equal. Social acceptance, availability, the time horizon for negative health impacts, and money all count toward how hard something is to quit. Nicotine is actually the hardest thing to quit when taking into account all of the factors that lead to continued use in the face of adverse consequences. It's everywhere, a large number of people do it, it's relatively inexpensive in comparison to other vices, the time horizon for negative impacts is VERY long, and it's in general socially acceptable (depending on where you live).
  - daniel-cussen 5y ago
    It's not the nicotine. It's the rest of the stuff they put in it, like cadmium for instance, the addictive metal.
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psyclobe 5y ago

Vaping is worse. Wrapped in a nebulous belief that it is probably a lot safer then the leaf form, it is mighty hard to give up. Mostly because you can vape anywhere and everywhere, constantly, making your body expect dopamine 24/7.

sjcoles 5y ago

Nicotine is a useful tool though. The latest round of tobacco free pouches are great and reduce risk to basically zero.

mrtranscendence 5y ago
A useful tool for what? I haven't used nicotine in a long time, but from what I recall the impact was basically zero unless I hadn't smoked in a while.
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- sjcoles 5y ago
  It's a stimulant. It helps me concentrate and seems to help my working memory (which is already poor due to ADHD).

wpietri 5y ago

For some costumes, I have held an unlit cigar in my teeth. The effect for me is noticeable and strong, like caffeine but more so. I really liked it! Which is why I will never take up regular use of it.

petercooper 5y ago

I've never tried tobacco, but I did try nicotine last year after seeing it discussed in ADHD circles. Noticed no effect (beyond perhaps a mild caffeine-esque sensation early on) but forced myself to try it for a few weeks. The "cloud" aspect was amusing, but I forgot about the experiment months ago and have suffered not a jot for it since. Different strokes for different folks, because apparently it's usually one of the most addictive things going, yet I'd consider caffeine or sugar to be more so than whatever nicotine was doing for me.

mrtranscendence 5y ago
I used to smoke as a teenager, but I found it effortless to quit and never once considered smoking once I reached adulthood. At the same time my mother has tried to stop smoking countless times, and even now -- with COPD, requiring oxygen supplementation, and unable sometimes to make it up a short flight of stairs -- she still hasn't been able to quit despite trying many times. Weird how that works. (Also weird: she hid her smoking from us, though obviously everyone knew she smoked. She always smoked holed up in her bathroom. I suppose I always knew where I could steal a few cigarettes!)
stryan 5y ago
IIRC Tobacco has MAOI-inhibitors that help amplify the addictive/pleasurable properties of nicotine. So if you just consumed nicotine through gum/patch/old-school vape juice it would be more "difficult" to get addicted to it.

bodge5000 5y ago

Guess its just a matter of experience and perspective, because for me tobacco is the "best" due its lack of any effect on you mentally, even if it is pricey and bad for you. Though I guess Sugar is probably a bit better and has pretty much the same consequences. Regardless of your perspective though, I'd say heroin is absolutely the worst

iSnow 5y ago
Sugar is not a drug though and doesn't create addiction, maybe a mild dependence.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  Sugar may not be a drug, but for some reason I had no trouble stopping smoking and have been unable in 40 years of life to quit overindulging in sugar despite many efforts to do so.
- bodge5000 5y ago
  > Sugar is not a drug Define drug. One definition I found is "Drugs are substances that change a person's mental or physical state", which would included Sugar. > It does not create addiction It absolutely does. Not physically (or at least no more than any other substance, if you consume a massive amount of anything your body will become accustomed to it and you'll feel withdrawal symptoms), but nor is alcohol or a load of other "addictive" drugs
- wanderer_ 5y ago
  It may not be a 'drug' in the traditional sense, but you can still become very addicted, and it can still harm you. Sugar addiction may even be more dangerous to society because of how common it is.

throwaway98749 5y ago

I disagree. As an addict (weed, alcohol, cocaine, and tobacco if you go that way), cocaine is much harder to quit than tobacco. But actually, telling that drug X is harder to quit that drug Y is a lie. For each person, each drug will be different. Maybe you struggle with tobacco, but that does not mean that its the worst. There's no worst, they're all equally bad.

hn_version_0023 5y ago
To underscore your point: cocaine was much easier to kick for me than tobacco. But neither had the grip that caffeine had on me! I’m pleased that all three are a distant memory now.
actusual 5y ago
The measure of "harder to quit" actually takes into account more than ones physical ability to actually give something up, all else equal. Social acceptance, availability, the time horizon for negative health impacts, and money all count toward how hard something is to quit. Nicotine is actually the hardest thing to quit when taking into account all of the factors that lead to continued use in the face of adverse consequences. It's everywhere, a large number of people do it, it's relatively inexpensive in comparison to other vices, the time horizon for negative impacts is VERY long, and it's in general socially acceptable (depending on where you live).
- daniel-cussen 5y ago
  It's not the nicotine. It's the rest of the stuff they put in it, like cadmium for instance, the addictive metal.

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