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> When you deploy a site using Cloudflare Workers Sites, the entire Cloudflare network, with over 150 data centers around the world, effectively becomes your o

> When you deploy a site using Cloudflare Workers Sites, the entire Cloudflare network, with over 150 data centers around the world, effectively becomes your origin server. In comparison, Netlify’s global CDN only conists of 6 locations for free users and 12 locations for enterprise plans. I don't understand the value (or hype) of Netlify if Cloudflare has many PoP (Points of Presences) and is effectively way faster. Netlify looking similarly like an expensive Heroku (more PoP only on enterprise plans) which doesn't seem like a global network to me. Curious to know is anyone on Netlify considering moving or staying?

ignoramous 5y ago
Netlify has way more deployment knobs and integrations, but Cloudflare Pages (and not Workers Sites) is quickly catching up in that regard.
- joao 5y ago
  One of the few grips I have with the more recent Cloudflare Pages is that the build times sometimes are 10x slower than Netlify. If you need to perform a fast update or rollback, it does take its time.
  - pier25 5y ago
    The Pages team said on Twitter yesterday they're working on supporting pre built deploy. Not sure if it will be via drag and drop or CLI though. Edit: See this thread where I lamented on being forced to deploy from Github: https://twitter.com/PierB/status/1491812373233119244 https://twitter.com/PierB/status/1491812373233119244
- squaresmile 5y ago
  Using Github Actions, Worker Sites and the CF worker, I think the level of customization is quite high without too much work. For example, our hobby React SPA deploys on merge using Actions. It also has dynamic opengraph tags for pretty Discord embeds using CF worker.
imachine1980_ 5y ago
Netlify is the best for static site hosting you can buy, cloudlflare page have unlimited data and free analytics but for in general, netlify have you cover whit more complete and mature implementations like cms
rmbyrro 5y ago
Especially, getting their support service is quite expensive. For a side-project or personal blog we can get away without support, but a commercial application wouldn't be advisable.
viraptor 5y ago
I've done some migrations and there's no perfect solution. Currently I'm split between netlify and vercel. The downsides I know for each: - Netlify doesn't support Range headers which means you can't host clickonce installers for windows apps there - Vercel doesn't support IPv6 which really is table stakes these days - S3 + CloudFront are very low-level and the bandwidth is expensive - CloudFlare supports targeted harassment so dropped for moral reasons
- opendomain 5y ago
  can anyone explain "CloudFlare supports targeted harassment"?
  - viraptor 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251
- cute_boi 5y ago
  Can you please explicate your last point? I don't know about first two but S3 or CloudFront is from Amazon which certainly have too many blemishes. Also, AFAIK Cloudflare is an infrastructure provider so, I wonder why would ethics come here. Are we going to blame Google for making a browser that is used for hundreds of immoral things? The only reason I think one will disdain over Cloudflare is due to monopoly. And, many argue they do some DDOS attack, but I have never seen any modicum of evidence.
  - viraptor 5y ago
    They will go to the court to prevent revealing the identity and suing people who run websites organising persistent harassment, then keep hosting the website with that knowledge, like here: https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1485731083534667779 https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1485731083534667779 (CW and all that) Google browser is not in the same situation because the abusers are not direct, paying customers of Google and Google is not fighting to both keep them and hide their identity. I understand why CF would want to keep their privacy position. But once they know about the abuse and don't drop those customers - they support the abuse.

ignoramous 5y ago

Netlify has way more deployment knobs and integrations, but Cloudflare Pages (and not Workers Sites) is quickly catching up in that regard.

joao 5y ago
One of the few grips I have with the more recent Cloudflare Pages is that the build times sometimes are 10x slower than Netlify. If you need to perform a fast update or rollback, it does take its time.
- pier25 5y ago
  The Pages team said on Twitter yesterday they're working on supporting pre built deploy. Not sure if it will be via drag and drop or CLI though. Edit: See this thread where I lamented on being forced to deploy from Github: https://twitter.com/PierB/status/1491812373233119244 https://twitter.com/PierB/status/1491812373233119244
squaresmile 5y ago
Using Github Actions, Worker Sites and the CF worker, I think the level of customization is quite high without too much work. For example, our hobby React SPA deploys on merge using Actions. It also has dynamic opengraph tags for pretty Discord embeds using CF worker.

imachine1980_ 5y ago

Netlify is the best for static site hosting you can buy, cloudlflare page have unlimited data and free analytics but for in general, netlify have you cover whit more complete and mature implementations like cms

rmbyrro 5y ago

Especially, getting their support service is quite expensive. For a side-project or personal blog we can get away without support, but a commercial application wouldn't be advisable.

viraptor 5y ago

I've done some migrations and there's no perfect solution. Currently I'm split between netlify and vercel. The downsides I know for each: - Netlify doesn't support Range headers which means you can't host clickonce installers for windows apps there - Vercel doesn't support IPv6 which really is table stakes these days - S3 + CloudFront are very low-level and the bandwidth is expensive - CloudFlare supports targeted harassment so dropped for moral reasons

opendomain 5y ago
can anyone explain "CloudFlare supports targeted harassment"?
- viraptor 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251
cute_boi 5y ago
Can you please explicate your last point? I don't know about first two but S3 or CloudFront is from Amazon which certainly have too many blemishes. Also, AFAIK Cloudflare is an infrastructure provider so, I wonder why would ethics come here. Are we going to blame Google for making a browser that is used for hundreds of immoral things? The only reason I think one will disdain over Cloudflare is due to monopoly. And, many argue they do some DDOS attack, but I have never seen any modicum of evidence.
- viraptor 5y ago
  They will go to the court to prevent revealing the identity and suing people who run websites organising persistent harassment, then keep hosting the website with that knowledge, like here: https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1485731083534667779 https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1485731083534667779 (CW and all that) Google browser is not in the same situation because the abusers are not direct, paying customers of Google and Google is not fighting to both keep them and hide their identity. I understand why CF would want to keep their privacy position. But once they know about the abuse and don't drop those customers - they support the abuse.