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This, and I don't understand why there isn't more scrutiny from the moderators. Especially the one-day old accounts are the most annoying part. If you have hott

This, and I don't understand why there isn't more scrutiny from the moderators. Especially the one-day old accounts are the most annoying part. If you have hottakes at least have the curtousy to do it with your primary account so we know who to ignore afterwards.

adflux 5y ago
- girvo 5y ago
  If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.
  - adflux 5y ago
    >If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any scientist worth their money understands the importance of challenging the status quo. Unfortunately nowadays, especially on the topic of COVID, challenging the status quo is enough to be considered a pariah by narrow-minded people like yourself.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - croon 5y ago
      > I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. Observably at the time, the earth was flat, and then you got better ways to observe it, and it was spherical. Then you got even better ways, and now it's an oblate spheroid. That doesn't negate the science used before, but it gets more correct each iteration. Asimov described this wonderfully in a letter, below: https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html > It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any more arrogant than thinking "the science" and "the facts" are wrong?
  - postsantum 5y ago
    >observable facts >FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public
    - rsfern 5y ago
      This should be part of our discourse going forward about transparency in clinical trials, but you do not need to rely on this data to make a rational decision to take the vaccine. There is loads of evidence from many different countries now, and there is enough granular evidence to weigh the potential downsides as well (i.e. take the lower dose mRNA if you’re young)
      - postsantum 5y ago
        Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA
        YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.
        postsantum 5y ago
        It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?
        YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        I despise smokers, fat goblins as much as antivaxxers like you. The whole argument about preventing transmission is only 2-3 months old what was the hesitation for the rest of the 1 1/2 years we have vaccines available? Cop out after cop out :)
  - skocznymroczny 5y ago
    "puts others in danger", "threat to public security", "views incompatible with society" have been used by authoritarians to excuse their actions since forever.
    - girvo 5y ago
      Sure. I’m a civilian though, I have no power over you, so you going on my block list has nothing to do with authoritarianism. Try again.
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
  There are enough idiots like you in this threads that spread lies or comment stupid shit like "If YoUr OpInIoN iS dIfFerEnT fRoM mInE, i WiLl IgNoRe YoU" that I don't want myself to be associated with them or you so you are absolutely right. You are ignored.
  - dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our request to stop. It's not ok to post like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That's just what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been posting a lot of unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments. Would you please stop doing that? We ban accounts that do it repeatedly.

adflux 5y ago

girvo 5y ago
If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.
- adflux 5y ago
  >If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any scientist worth their money understands the importance of challenging the status quo. Unfortunately nowadays, especially on the topic of COVID, challenging the status quo is enough to be considered a pariah by narrow-minded people like yourself.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - croon 5y ago
    > I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. Observably at the time, the earth was flat, and then you got better ways to observe it, and it was spherical. Then you got even better ways, and now it's an oblate spheroid. That doesn't negate the science used before, but it gets more correct each iteration. Asimov described this wonderfully in a letter, below: https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html > It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any more arrogant than thinking "the science" and "the facts" are wrong?
- postsantum 5y ago
  >observable facts >FDA says it needs 75 years to release Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data to the public
  - rsfern 5y ago
    This should be part of our discourse going forward about transparency in clinical trials, but you do not need to rely on this data to make a rational decision to take the vaccine. There is loads of evidence from many different countries now, and there is enough granular evidence to weigh the potential downsides as well (i.e. take the lower dose mRNA if you’re young)
    - postsantum 5y ago
      Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA
      - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.
        postsantum 5y ago
        It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?
        YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        I despise smokers, fat goblins as much as antivaxxers like you. The whole argument about preventing transmission is only 2-3 months old what was the hesitation for the rest of the 1 1/2 years we have vaccines available? Cop out after cop out :)
- skocznymroczny 5y ago
  "puts others in danger", "threat to public security", "views incompatible with society" have been used by authoritarians to excuse their actions since forever.
  - girvo 5y ago
    Sure. I’m a civilian though, I have no power over you, so you going on my block list has nothing to do with authoritarianism. Try again.
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
There are enough idiots like you in this threads that spread lies or comment stupid shit like "If YoUr OpInIoN iS dIfFerEnT fRoM mInE, i WiLl IgNoRe YoU" that I don't want myself to be associated with them or you so you are absolutely right. You are ignored.
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our request to stop. It's not ok to post like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That's just what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been posting a lot of unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments. Would you please stop doing that? We ban accounts that do it repeatedly.