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I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do

I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work. Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (which was normal) leave her with no answer other than “who knows”.

jsiaajdsdaa 5y ago
All the technology, training, and funding in the world and the result ("who knows" and stress) is worse than the base case (ignorance).
verisimi 5y ago
- wyattpeak 5y ago
  Why would you expect it to be similar to the flu? Covid is entirely unrelated to the flu. SARS killed fifteen percent of people who got it. Was that due to treatment, since the flu doesn't do that?
  - verisimi 5y ago
    It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree?
    - croon 5y ago
      > It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree? No, the vaccine, being made from the virus, can give some side effects. Usually, these are the same but lesser side effects as the virus it self. This applies in this case too: From [0] and [1]: > There would be around 107 additional cases of thrombocytopenia—a form of rare blood clotting—and 66 cases of venous blood clots for every 10 million having their first AstraZeneca shot, according to the data, versus around 934 and 12,614 extra cases respectively for the same number of people after a Covid-19 infection. 191 times more likely to get venous blood clots from covid than from (in this study) Pfizer. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/27/covid-infection-has-much-higher-risk-of-blood-clots-than-vaccines-do-study-finds/?sh=23078037372e https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/27/covid-inf... [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931 https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931
  - refurb 5y ago
    People seem to underestimate complications of the flu. What does the CDC say? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm Similarities: Both COVID-19 and flu can result in complications, including: Pneumonia Respiratory failure Acute respiratory distress syndrome (fluid in the lungs) Sepsis (a life-threatening illness caused by the body’s extreme response to an infection) Cardiac injury (for example, heart attacks and stroke) Multiple-organ failure (respiratory failure, kidney failure, shock) Worsening of chronic medical conditions (involving the lungs, heart, or nervous system or diabetes) Inflammation of the heart, brain, or muscle tissues Secondary infections (bacterial or fungal infections that can occur in people who have already been infected with flu or COVID-19)
    - wyattpeak 5y ago
      That may be so but feels tangential to my point. Perhaps address the parent to my comment? They're the one who believes that this is a symptom not present in the flu.
- ummonk 5y ago
  While this was a case of omicron (which is more flu-like in terms of which parts of the human body it targets), pre-omicron variants of Covid were certainly very different from the flu, and in particular more likely to target the nervous system. And a lot of respiratory viruses (both flu and other influenza-like viruses) do cause major effects on the human body sometimes. E.g. when I got hit with the flu in 2009 (might have been H1N1), it took me months my lungs to get back to normal. As to treatment, most people who get Covid don't receive any treatment.
  - verisimi 5y ago
    Having an effect on the lungs makes sense to me - its a respiratory illness. But why would a respiratory disease cause blood clots?
    - Hallucinaut 5y ago
      It's not a "respiratory illness". See Barrin92's response to you. That suggestion is also implicitly dismissing all the people who had lingering effects long after COVID and long before vaccines.
    - Taniwha 5y ago
      It's an illness of the epithelial tissues, - ie the surfaces of your organs, especially the insides of the vascular system that pumps the blood around your body - sure there's a lot of epithelial tissues in your lungs but they are all through your body, especially in the circulatory system and heart - it's not really surprising that damaging that results in strokes and heart attacks. It's also not surprising that it results in the virus travelling through the entire body
    - irishsultan 5y ago
      Why wouldn't it? Or rather, why do you think that by labeling a disease as being respiratory it suddenly can only affect the respiratory system?
- Barrin92 5y ago
  >Flu doesn't usually have this sort of impact, people fully recover. I legitimately cannot stand this flu meme any more. I'll quote Charles Stross: "Remember, this isn't a simple pneumonia bug. It's a virus that attacks the RAAS/ACE2 system, in particular all the epithelial tissues, and any other cells that express ACE2 receptors on their surfaces. It can mess with your kidneys. It can mess with fat cells, changing their response to insulin. It apparently shows up in brain tissue. Viral RNA can be found in all of these cells many months after recovery from the acute infection: it may have long-term sequelae, like Shingles, which only show up years to decades later. We do know long COVID effects up to 15% of people who are diagnosed with an infection, and can last months to years. We know that immunity is short-lived, and people can get repeat infections (currently mostly by new strains, but reinfection with an old strain is not impossible)." The ace2 system that covid-19 attacks plays a vital role in the regulation of the cardiovascular system, and this has been known since 2020. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5
  - quenix 5y ago
    Who is Charles Stross? Wikipedia: "[he is] a writer of science fiction and fantasy." What qualifies him to make such a statement?
    - Barrin92 5y ago
      what disqualifies him? Do you need a license to read a paper?
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  I rarely get true flu, but if I do, my physical fitness is compromised for weeks. After real Covid (alpha, pre-vaccination times, a mild case), I was getting back to normal for some six months. Heart palpitations never seen before, muscle twitches never seen before. A cardiology checkup revealed a lot of extrasystoles. All those problems went away after half a year or so. I now got something that looked like a weak cold and might have been Omicron. No strange effects at all, just a running nose.
inciampati 5y ago
I had COVID and even exercised with it. I noticed a higher level of muscle soreness, and in fact that and anosmia tipped us off to what was happening. This was one of the early variants where flu like symptoms were rare. In my N=1, any one of the myriad other common colds that I've had caused similar symptoms. The degree of muscle soreness was strange. Along with another person in my bubble who also got infected, we both measured increases in red blood cell count outside of the normal range several months after. It wasn't clear if this was due to COVID-19 or being athletes. I didn't have a baseline unfortunately. I had a dramatically different experience with a flu that I got in December 2019. My resting HR was up by 10bpm for a month after. My exercise regime was broken, and it took almost two months to fully recover. I truly hope that COVID-19 is just a window into these infection disease processes that are going on all the time, damaging our bodies without giving us clear feedback. This massive pulse of naive infection is a unique opportunity to understand this. I fear that we will not be able to generalize these lessons. And I understand why. COVID is very weird...
- greatquux 5y ago
  Probably what we need to do is figure out what COVID has in common with the other viral infections (esp. how they affect the body long term, which wasn't a huge thing people were talking about or researching pre-COVID), and then we from there we can figure out what is unique about this virus (and its variants).
mads 5y ago
I ran a marathon last time in September. In January I caught Omicron and now I feel a slight leg burn, when walking the stairs to second floor. This has never happened before.

jsiaajdsdaa 5y ago

All the technology, training, and funding in the world and the result ("who knows" and stress) is worse than the base case (ignorance).

verisimi 5y ago

wyattpeak 5y ago
Why would you expect it to be similar to the flu? Covid is entirely unrelated to the flu. SARS killed fifteen percent of people who got it. Was that due to treatment, since the flu doesn't do that?
- verisimi 5y ago
  It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree?
  - croon 5y ago
    > It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree? No, the vaccine, being made from the virus, can give some side effects. Usually, these are the same but lesser side effects as the virus it self. This applies in this case too: From [0] and [1]: > There would be around 107 additional cases of thrombocytopenia—a form of rare blood clotting—and 66 cases of venous blood clots for every 10 million having their first AstraZeneca shot, according to the data, versus around 934 and 12,614 extra cases respectively for the same number of people after a Covid-19 infection. 191 times more likely to get venous blood clots from covid than from (in this study) Pfizer. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/27/covid-infection-has-much-higher-risk-of-blood-clots-than-vaccines-do-study-finds/?sh=23078037372e https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/27/covid-inf... [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931 https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931
- refurb 5y ago
  People seem to underestimate complications of the flu. What does the CDC say? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm Similarities: Both COVID-19 and flu can result in complications, including: Pneumonia Respiratory failure Acute respiratory distress syndrome (fluid in the lungs) Sepsis (a life-threatening illness caused by the body’s extreme response to an infection) Cardiac injury (for example, heart attacks and stroke) Multiple-organ failure (respiratory failure, kidney failure, shock) Worsening of chronic medical conditions (involving the lungs, heart, or nervous system or diabetes) Inflammation of the heart, brain, or muscle tissues Secondary infections (bacterial or fungal infections that can occur in people who have already been infected with flu or COVID-19)
  - wyattpeak 5y ago
    That may be so but feels tangential to my point. Perhaps address the parent to my comment? They're the one who believes that this is a symptom not present in the flu.
ummonk 5y ago
While this was a case of omicron (which is more flu-like in terms of which parts of the human body it targets), pre-omicron variants of Covid were certainly very different from the flu, and in particular more likely to target the nervous system. And a lot of respiratory viruses (both flu and other influenza-like viruses) do cause major effects on the human body sometimes. E.g. when I got hit with the flu in 2009 (might have been H1N1), it took me months my lungs to get back to normal. As to treatment, most people who get Covid don't receive any treatment.
- verisimi 5y ago
  Having an effect on the lungs makes sense to me - its a respiratory illness. But why would a respiratory disease cause blood clots?
  - Hallucinaut 5y ago
    It's not a "respiratory illness". See Barrin92's response to you. That suggestion is also implicitly dismissing all the people who had lingering effects long after COVID and long before vaccines.
  - Taniwha 5y ago
    It's an illness of the epithelial tissues, - ie the surfaces of your organs, especially the insides of the vascular system that pumps the blood around your body - sure there's a lot of epithelial tissues in your lungs but they are all through your body, especially in the circulatory system and heart - it's not really surprising that damaging that results in strokes and heart attacks. It's also not surprising that it results in the virus travelling through the entire body
  - irishsultan 5y ago
    Why wouldn't it? Or rather, why do you think that by labeling a disease as being respiratory it suddenly can only affect the respiratory system?
Barrin92 5y ago
>Flu doesn't usually have this sort of impact, people fully recover. I legitimately cannot stand this flu meme any more. I'll quote Charles Stross: "Remember, this isn't a simple pneumonia bug. It's a virus that attacks the RAAS/ACE2 system, in particular all the epithelial tissues, and any other cells that express ACE2 receptors on their surfaces. It can mess with your kidneys. It can mess with fat cells, changing their response to insulin. It apparently shows up in brain tissue. Viral RNA can be found in all of these cells many months after recovery from the acute infection: it may have long-term sequelae, like Shingles, which only show up years to decades later. We do know long COVID effects up to 15% of people who are diagnosed with an infection, and can last months to years. We know that immunity is short-lived, and people can get repeat infections (currently mostly by new strains, but reinfection with an old strain is not impossible)." The ace2 system that covid-19 attacks plays a vital role in the regulation of the cardiovascular system, and this has been known since 2020. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5
- quenix 5y ago
  Who is Charles Stross? Wikipedia: "[he is] a writer of science fiction and fantasy." What qualifies him to make such a statement?
  - Barrin92 5y ago
    what disqualifies him? Do you need a license to read a paper?
inglor_cz 5y ago
I rarely get true flu, but if I do, my physical fitness is compromised for weeks. After real Covid (alpha, pre-vaccination times, a mild case), I was getting back to normal for some six months. Heart palpitations never seen before, muscle twitches never seen before. A cardiology checkup revealed a lot of extrasystoles. All those problems went away after half a year or so. I now got something that looked like a weak cold and might have been Omicron. No strange effects at all, just a running nose.

inciampati 5y ago

I had COVID and even exercised with it. I noticed a higher level of muscle soreness, and in fact that and anosmia tipped us off to what was happening. This was one of the early variants where flu like symptoms were rare. In my N=1, any one of the myriad other common colds that I've had caused similar symptoms. The degree of muscle soreness was strange. Along with another person in my bubble who also got infected, we both measured increases in red blood cell count outside of the normal range several months after. It wasn't clear if this was due to COVID-19 or being athletes. I didn't have a baseline unfortunately. I had a dramatically different experience with a flu that I got in December 2019. My resting HR was up by 10bpm for a month after. My exercise regime was broken, and it took almost two months to fully recover. I truly hope that COVID-19 is just a window into these infection disease processes that are going on all the time, damaging our bodies without giving us clear feedback. This massive pulse of naive infection is a unique opportunity to understand this. I fear that we will not be able to generalize these lessons. And I understand why. COVID is very weird...

greatquux 5y ago
Probably what we need to do is figure out what COVID has in common with the other viral infections (esp. how they affect the body long term, which wasn't a huge thing people were talking about or researching pre-COVID), and then we from there we can figure out what is unique about this virus (and its variants).

mads 5y ago

I ran a marathon last time in September. In January I caught Omicron and now I feel a slight leg burn, when walking the stairs to second floor. This has never happened before.