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For living in a neighboring country, speaking their language and following their policy quite a bit, i can tell you that, no, they are nowhere near serious. Ju

For living in a neighboring country, speaking their language and following their policy quite a bit, i can tell you that, no, they are nowhere near serious. Just as an example, the best performing company this year is Total with 15B and which is happily feeding the government with petrodollars and the other people with lies about "Net Zero " etc. "Énergie Nucléaire" as they call it is a thing there because De Gaulle wanted a bomb after WW2, so they pushed the industry (which is btw in pretty bad shape). There is exactly ONE person in France who is pro nuclear and say accurate things about climate and it's Jancovici. All the rest of the crowd is like in most countries corrupt by petrodollars or other polluting industry, and is saying crap about climate. and the rare times they are not saying crap they are lying about their intentions. No, France is nowhere near serious about climate, like most countries they bet on a +5 degree futur. I think i have read enough papers to tell you that 5 degrees will be very very hot and a very very sad point in human history.

inter_netuser 5y ago
Do you have a link to their models w.r.t +5 degrees? seems like an extraordinary number
- immmmmm 5y ago
  You are correct, the 5 degree might be a bit high in this context. It's quite possible however in SSP5-8.5 and even SSP4-7.0 from IPCC's predictions for 2100 ([0] for instance). A more conservative 2-3 degrees might be more accurate for climate pledges [1]. This is based on quite a few assumptions tho and varies between authors. 2300 projections can go up to 12 degrees in IPCC AR5 WG1, Figure 12.5 [2] (for the old RCP8.5 scenario). [0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13143-021-00225-6 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13143-021-00225-6 [1] https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/ https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/ [2] https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/long-term-climate-change-projections-commitments-and-irreversibility/ https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/long-term-climate-change-...
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    Thanks for the links. How did CO2 become such a big focus? Seemingly to detriment of all else, including persistent pollutants or neonics, etc? Like those very real problems happening today, vs 2100.
gobip 5y ago
France is not serious about climate? If you're in a neighbor country of France: congrats, your electricity is much more polluted than France's is. Énergie Nucléaire was a thing of De Gaulle, but not for these reasons. France needed independence and needed to provide electricity, and the only way was nuclear (at the time). Given the current situation, I think France didn't do too bad. Only one candidate in France on par with Jancovici tho, Fabien Roussel. I live in France, never heard of this "Net Zero" you're talking about.
- immmmmm 5y ago
  I live in Switzerland, 60% of my electricity comes from hydro. Ok ok, De Gaulle was maybe more concerned about energy independence. France doesn't do too bad? Any link? As far a i remember only a few African countries do "not too bad", but perhaps you were referring to former colonies as well. > I live in France, never heard of this "Net Zero" you're talking about. I then suggest some good climate information channel, Bon Pote is pretty good in French [0] [0] https://bonpote.com/ https://bonpote.com/ edit: my country is terrible too, it is nothing against France in particular!!!
  - rini17 5y ago
    Swiss and Austrians are an exception with the hydro and should stop rubbing it in all the discussions. In Slovakia much of whatever could be dammed already is and still hydro makes only up to 20% of the mix, despite being one of the more hilly countries. Were it not for 70% nuclear, I have no idea how to even go near carbon neutral electricity. Having German electricity prices to pay for renewables is completely impossible.
    - immmmmm 5y ago
      Agreed. I was answering the inaccurate sentence "your electricity is much more polluted than France's is."
    - phicoh 5y ago
      Ignoring storage, wind and solar are now very cheap. For example, companies now pay to rent pieces of North Sea to place wind parks there.
yamrzou 5y ago
Jancovici is a legend. Listenening to him and reading his latest comic book (Le monde sans fin) made me very aware of climate issues and directly influenced my behavior. He deserves to be better known by international audiences. Here are some of his talks in english: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt4XwBbCvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt4XwBbCvA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s254IPHXgVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s254IPHXgVA
- immmmmm 5y ago
  oh thank you! didn't know he had talks in english! i love how rude, physics based and down to earth he is, a legend indeed!
greatpatton 5y ago
"Just as an example, the best performing company this year is Total with 15B and which is happily feeding the government with petrodollars and the other people with lies about "Net Zero " etc." French government is not a shareholder of Total at any meaningful level, less than 30% of Total shareholders are French and Total is a multinational paying taxes in multiple countries, so I don't know from where your petrodollars are coming from. There is a lot that can be say about French energy policy but mentioning Total is really the less relevant one...
mam4 5y ago
joconde 5y ago
I’m skeptical about that 5 degree bet. What’s your source?

inter_netuser 5y ago

Do you have a link to their models w.r.t +5 degrees? seems like an extraordinary number

immmmmm 5y ago
You are correct, the 5 degree might be a bit high in this context. It's quite possible however in SSP5-8.5 and even SSP4-7.0 from IPCC's predictions for 2100 ([0] for instance). A more conservative 2-3 degrees might be more accurate for climate pledges [1]. This is based on quite a few assumptions tho and varies between authors. 2300 projections can go up to 12 degrees in IPCC AR5 WG1, Figure 12.5 [2] (for the old RCP8.5 scenario). [0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13143-021-00225-6 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13143-021-00225-6 [1] https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/ https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/ [2] https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/long-term-climate-change-projections-commitments-and-irreversibility/ https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/long-term-climate-change-...
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  Thanks for the links. How did CO2 become such a big focus? Seemingly to detriment of all else, including persistent pollutants or neonics, etc? Like those very real problems happening today, vs 2100.

gobip 5y ago

France is not serious about climate? If you're in a neighbor country of France: congrats, your electricity is much more polluted than France's is. Énergie Nucléaire was a thing of De Gaulle, but not for these reasons. France needed independence and needed to provide electricity, and the only way was nuclear (at the time). Given the current situation, I think France didn't do too bad. Only one candidate in France on par with Jancovici tho, Fabien Roussel. I live in France, never heard of this "Net Zero" you're talking about.

immmmmm 5y ago
I live in Switzerland, 60% of my electricity comes from hydro. Ok ok, De Gaulle was maybe more concerned about energy independence. France doesn't do too bad? Any link? As far a i remember only a few African countries do "not too bad", but perhaps you were referring to former colonies as well. > I live in France, never heard of this "Net Zero" you're talking about. I then suggest some good climate information channel, Bon Pote is pretty good in French [0] [0] https://bonpote.com/ https://bonpote.com/ edit: my country is terrible too, it is nothing against France in particular!!!
- rini17 5y ago
  Swiss and Austrians are an exception with the hydro and should stop rubbing it in all the discussions. In Slovakia much of whatever could be dammed already is and still hydro makes only up to 20% of the mix, despite being one of the more hilly countries. Were it not for 70% nuclear, I have no idea how to even go near carbon neutral electricity. Having German electricity prices to pay for renewables is completely impossible.
  - immmmmm 5y ago
    Agreed. I was answering the inaccurate sentence "your electricity is much more polluted than France's is."
  - phicoh 5y ago
    Ignoring storage, wind and solar are now very cheap. For example, companies now pay to rent pieces of North Sea to place wind parks there.

yamrzou 5y ago

Jancovici is a legend. Listenening to him and reading his latest comic book (Le monde sans fin) made me very aware of climate issues and directly influenced my behavior. He deserves to be better known by international audiences. Here are some of his talks in english: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt4XwBbCvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt4XwBbCvA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s254IPHXgVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s254IPHXgVA

immmmmm 5y ago
oh thank you! didn't know he had talks in english! i love how rude, physics based and down to earth he is, a legend indeed!

greatpatton 5y ago

"Just as an example, the best performing company this year is Total with 15B and which is happily feeding the government with petrodollars and the other people with lies about "Net Zero " etc." French government is not a shareholder of Total at any meaningful level, less than 30% of Total shareholders are French and Total is a multinational paying taxes in multiple countries, so I don't know from where your petrodollars are coming from. There is a lot that can be say about French energy policy but mentioning Total is really the less relevant one...

mam4 5y ago

joconde 5y ago

I’m skeptical about that 5 degree bet. What’s your source?