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You've got billions of people worldwide who've been vaccinated. How many have had instances of heart failure?
by soperj 5y ago
You've got billions of people worldwide who've been vaccinated. How many have had instances of heart failure?
- ekianjo 5y ago> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.
- f6v 5y agoSomewhat off-topic, but my favorite game now is one upping the COVID conspiracy theorists. Whenever they talk about the pandemic being engineered by the world elites, I say: “You really think it has been created here on Earth? Oh, poor you! It obviously has extraterrestrial origin!”.
- WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
- Ambolia 5y agoShould be simple to determine if we just check if the increased cases started in 2020 before vaccine rollout or in 2021 after the rollout.
- f6v 5y agoCheck for what? Spurious correlations?
- Ambolia 5y agoYes, I think if you apply a medical treatment approved on emergency grounds to most of the population it would be a good idea to track their health and raise an alarm if something changes, or "correlates" as you say. Maybe even have control groups just in case. But maybe that's just me being unreasonable.
- f6v 5y agoI think these vaccines are already held to an incredibly high standard. AZ use was put on hold here in Europe after just couple cases of blood clotting. Same for Moderna when there’s been the cases of heart issues.
- Ambolia 5y agoAllegedly, the AZ issues may have been political as much as scientific: * https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/03/15/politics-not-science-may-be-behind-suspensions-of-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine/?sh=55d52ebd2236 https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/03/15/politi... ** https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/26/how-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-became-a-political-football-and-a-pr-disaster https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/26/how-the-ast... *** https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/world/europe/europe-astrazeneca-vaccine-suspensions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/world/europe/europe-astra...
- fer 5y agoWho is this person/organisation that made every authority agree with each other for the first time in history?
- macilacilove 5y agoPeople spontaneously cooperate all the time based on their selfinterests. I don't intend to argue for the commenters position, but this blanket argument against everything that even remotely resembles a 'conspiracy' is not correct.
- fer 5y agoMy point is, if every (or almost every) actor does the same thing, and someone argues that's bad/damaging/not the best course of action, the only explanations are either: * All actors are anti-rational (not just irrational, which leads sometimes to seemingly rational actions). * There's something else pressuring them into taking an anti-rational decision. I'd be surprised if it's the first, so I ask about the second. Unless the commenter means that killing your own citizens is in self-interest of the state, then leaving COVID run rampant would have been better option anyway.
- jessaustin 5y agoThere is a principal-agent conflict. The payoff matrix for the general public is not the same as that for health authorities. In addition, since we have eschewed some of the longer-term testing that is possible for new medicines, much of the payoff matrix for the general public is currently unknown.
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- ekianjo 5y agoWhen the FDA does something it influences regulatory bodies around the world, in case you have not heard.
- legerdemain 5y agoOh, I just love seeing this rhetorical tag-team action on HN! PERSON 1: Grotesque unsubstantiated claim! PERSON 2: Uh... could you try to substantiate that? PERSON 3: Like they'd ever leave any evidence behind!
- ekianjo 5y agoOh so authorities in most countries are NOT pushing for vaccines no matter what? Please provide me some context that I am missing, it seems like we are not living in the same world or something.
- croon 5y agoThey are, as are most pushing for bike helmets, seat belts, food safety, etc. Are seat belts a global conspiracy?
- ekianjo 5y ago> They are, as are most pushing for bike helmets, seat belts, food safety, etc. So, vaccines with unknown long term safety are the same as bike helmets, seat belts and food safety. Perfect analogies, thank you, you have clearly solved my concerns.
- sofixa 5y agoWhat.. how? Why? What's the vested interest for the Mali, Bulgaria, Brazil, Lesotho, Nepal authorities in promoting vaccines no matter what?
- Apocryphon 5y agoOr, for that matter, both presidents Trump and Biden?
- teataster 5y agoOptics. That's the true name of the evil overlord. Government cares about "looking" like they are doing the right thing. Because they want to get public support. Then there is corruption. But I will say that's a secondary issue. Anyways, I am pretty sure once govt changes were I am from, former politicians will find a job easily in pharma. Again this is secondary and will always happen.
- the-alt-one 5y agoI'm pretty sure the actual interest is "Not having people die and overloading the healthcare system", but okay lmao
- sofixa 5y agoYou should tell this to Bolsonaro or Trump, both of which miserably failed at even pretending to look like they're doing the right thing.
- toomanydoubts 5y agoBrazilian president delayed negotiations with Pfizer for the vaccine because he wanted involved in a scheme to make a bribe of $1 per dose.
- kavalg 5y agoBulgaria has been quite conformant to the EU/US narrative both in terms of government and mass media. After the last elections there is even a joke circulating around, that next time we shall vote for an US ambassador.
- readthenotes1 5y agoCertainly an unusual number of incredibly fit Football players (>1), and an incredibly number (0) of American Football players.
- soperj 5y agoAre you talking about the Danish guy? He hadn't been vaccinated i thought?
- sharken 5y agoIf it is Christian Eriksen you think about, then yes he has a heart condition. But it apparently did not have anything to do with topic in this news.
- sofixa 5y agoWho's the football player with heart failure after getting vaccinated? We have multiple instances of players getting Covid and having complications from that ( Kimmich, Aubemayang, Davies, the first one of which is certainly unvaccinated, no idea about the rest), but i haven't heard of heart failure after vaccination. If you mean Christian Eriksen, he wasn't vaccinated at that time.
- WalterBright 5y agoIncredibly fit young people sometimes die of heart attacks. They had no diagnosible heart condition prior. There are a couple hundred ways the heart can fail, and only the common ones are tested for. I.e. being fit and healthy will reduce the odds of a heart attack, but will never eliminate the possibility.
- rei_ayanami 5y agoAnd tennis players, standup comedians, nurses. Yeah, I agree.