> you end up with nazis walking around if you don't have the ability to deter them. In general this is required if you want freedom of speech at all, because w

> you end up with nazis walking around if you don't have the ability to deter them. In general this is required if you want freedom of speech at all, because while nazis are seen as bad by $majority_general_population today, that same $majority_general_population in 1940's Germany had their own ideals for what people with certain interests were bad. In theory, even if Nazis took over the entire US Federal apparatus today, they couldn't infringe on the rights of the citizens ands states as they did back then (at least not without hostile takeover and civil war). The entire deal with CSAM being seen as bad today is that it comes from a belief that reducing and limiting the proliferation of digital imagery containing depictions of minors being sexually abused, it will hopefully hurt the profit margins of organizations that run the abduction, human trafficking, and abuse + abuse imagery production process, via reducing exposure and liming the potential customer base (while also hopefully helping victims heal knowing that fewer and fewer people are viewing said imagery). I'm no expert in whether or not this works, perhaps there's some studies that do qualitative research on this; but either way there's no doubt that E2EE directly harms the work of the likes of PhotoDNA which aim at actually solving the issue of file sharing / image hosting services being used for the proliferation of CSAM, whether that be for advertising to new buyers or simply the means that these groups end up sharing content. So there really is a tradeoff people have to realize when they consider either side's stance; My point is that HN seems to be almost entirely one-sided on the side of privacy even if many safeguards are put in place to make it private while still enabling detection of abuse imagery, when I don't see anyone proposing more practical privacy-respecting solutions than Apple has proposed. Perhaps people thing CSAM is a fringe thing, but [0] > (Interpol) Child Sexual Exploitation Image Database (ICSEDB) network of 53 countries holds over a half a million CEM images, which have helped identify around 11,988 victims and nearly 5, 617 offenders over the eight years to December 2017 0: Broadhurst, Roderic via https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/210492/1/01_Broadhurst_Child_Sex_Abuse_Images_and_2020.pdf https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/21...