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What is the data in question? I don't see it mentioned in the article.

roywiggins 5y ago
This is the report I think (it's pretty heavily redacted): https://www.cia.gov/static/63f697addbbd30a4d64432ff28bbc6d6/OPCL-PCLOB-Report-on-CIA-Activities.pdf https://www.cia.gov/static/63f697addbbd30a4d64432ff28bbc6d6/... The program is apparently bulk collection of financial data.
- owlninja 5y ago
  Thanks...I am still a bit confused and thought the post URL would lead me to something more informative judging by the reactions here.
  - hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
    If there is one thing I've learned on the Internet it's that reading the article is not a prerequisite for having a strong reaction and commenting on it.
    - roywiggins 5y ago
      I'm not sure actually reading the PCLOB report is very informative. I certainly don't have the context to understand it fully, and of course a lot of it is blacked out. Reading these sorts of disosures and putting them into context requires a LOT of domain knowledge that I don't have. Wyden being pissed about it is a decent sign that it's something to be worried about though, he's spent a lot of time on this stuff.
  - roywiggins 5y ago
    The letter from Wyden and Heinrich explains it a bit. The issue is that other foreign bulk collection has some oversight from Congress and the judiciary. Bulk collection authorized under FISA (The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) is reviewed by the FISC (a special secret court) and every so often the court will find that the NSA or FBI has messed up and needs to fix its procedures around US persons. Those programs are also briefed to the House and Senate intelligence committees who can, at least in theory, exercise oversight, even if in secret. This CIA program has no particular statutory authorization and is being justified under an executive order from the 80s. It wasn't disclosed to anyone in Congress. It isn't being even notionally overseen by the FISC. It's just a bunch of CIA people justifying their own procedures to themselves. https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/hainesburns_wydenheinrich_13apr21_final https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/hainesburns_wydenheinr...
- tootahe45 5y ago
  Now if we could pay someone to read it and tell us what data was collected.
mike_d 5y ago
"These activities may include open-source research (e.g., an Internet search) or inquiries to other U.S. government agencies or foreign entities."
vsareto 5y ago
They describe it as structured and unstructured data, with the latter examples being "emails, spreadsheets, word processing files, or other electronic documents" The former is likely database files, JSON, XML, etc. and anything that has a "common format", but I don't think specifics are given.

This is the report I think (it's pretty heavily redacted): https://www.cia.gov/static/63f697addbbd30a4d64432ff28bbc6d6/OPCL-PCLOB-Report-on-CIA-Activities.pdf https://www.cia.gov/static/63f697addbbd30a4d64432ff28bbc6d6/... The program is apparently bulk collection of financial data.

owlninja 5y ago
Thanks...I am still a bit confused and thought the post URL would lead me to something more informative judging by the reactions here.
- hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
  If there is one thing I've learned on the Internet it's that reading the article is not a prerequisite for having a strong reaction and commenting on it.
  - roywiggins 5y ago
    I'm not sure actually reading the PCLOB report is very informative. I certainly don't have the context to understand it fully, and of course a lot of it is blacked out. Reading these sorts of disosures and putting them into context requires a LOT of domain knowledge that I don't have. Wyden being pissed about it is a decent sign that it's something to be worried about though, he's spent a lot of time on this stuff.
- roywiggins 5y ago
  The letter from Wyden and Heinrich explains it a bit. The issue is that other foreign bulk collection has some oversight from Congress and the judiciary. Bulk collection authorized under FISA (The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) is reviewed by the FISC (a special secret court) and every so often the court will find that the NSA or FBI has messed up and needs to fix its procedures around US persons. Those programs are also briefed to the House and Senate intelligence committees who can, at least in theory, exercise oversight, even if in secret. This CIA program has no particular statutory authorization and is being justified under an executive order from the 80s. It wasn't disclosed to anyone in Congress. It isn't being even notionally overseen by the FISC. It's just a bunch of CIA people justifying their own procedures to themselves. https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/hainesburns_wydenheinrich_13apr21_final https://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/hainesburns_wydenheinr...
tootahe45 5y ago
Now if we could pay someone to read it and tell us what data was collected.

mike_d 5y ago

"These activities may include open-source research (e.g., an Internet search) or inquiries to other U.S. government agencies or foreign entities."

vsareto 5y ago

They describe it as structured and unstructured data, with the latter examples being "emails, spreadsheets, word processing files, or other electronic documents" The former is likely database files, JSON, XML, etc. and anything that has a "common format", but I don't think specifics are given.