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>This honestly makes me suspicious. Arm of government says opposition of current government is corrupted. How convenient Didn't this happen during Obama's pres

>This honestly makes me suspicious. Arm of government says opposition of current government is corrupted. How convenient Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running?

wavefunction 5y ago
No, I recall a bunch of suspicious meetings between Trump, his sons, his close confidants and known Russian intelligence assets (keep in mind that includes people like ambassadors) that they lied about having happened until we were presented with evidence that they did, at which point they tried to downplay them. That's my recollection at least.
IIAOPSW 5y ago
Yes. And those accusations were true. And, quite possibly, these Australian accusations are also true. It may or may not be a convenient truth, or a truth withheld until a convenient time, or a similar truth about the other party might also be known to be true but not released. Or maybe Labour really is the more corrupt party and ASIO are earnestly working to protect Australian interests. All of these hypothesis are congruent with the evidence. There's a difference between being skeptical of politically convenient press releases versus being a contrarian that just assumes anything politically convenient must be a lie.
- mrslave 5y ago
  >> Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running? > Yes. And those accusations were true. What's the rundown on this scandal? A link or TL;DR is fine -- not trying to derail.
  - hammock 5y ago
    Hard to come up with a tldr on what is an extremely complicated scandal (just take a look at how long the knowyourmeme page is on Russiagate). Here is a pretty up to date summary, though, if a bit partisan: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/08/why_the_russiagate_scandal_outranks_the_rest_146853.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/08/why_th...
  - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
    Maybe you have reply notifications: this seemed like the closest thing (not close at all, I'm afraid) you'd get to both a complete list, and not having to dig through multiple rants. https://themillenniumreport.com/2016/10/the-top-100-most-damaging-wikileaks/ https://themillenniumreport.com/2016/10/the-top-100-most-dam...

wavefunction 5y ago

No, I recall a bunch of suspicious meetings between Trump, his sons, his close confidants and known Russian intelligence assets (keep in mind that includes people like ambassadors) that they lied about having happened until we were presented with evidence that they did, at which point they tried to downplay them. That's my recollection at least.

IIAOPSW 5y ago

Yes. And those accusations were true. And, quite possibly, these Australian accusations are also true. It may or may not be a convenient truth, or a truth withheld until a convenient time, or a similar truth about the other party might also be known to be true but not released. Or maybe Labour really is the more corrupt party and ASIO are earnestly working to protect Australian interests. All of these hypothesis are congruent with the evidence. There's a difference between being skeptical of politically convenient press releases versus being a contrarian that just assumes anything politically convenient must be a lie.

mrslave 5y ago
>> Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running? > Yes. And those accusations were true. What's the rundown on this scandal? A link or TL;DR is fine -- not trying to derail.
- hammock 5y ago
  Hard to come up with a tldr on what is an extremely complicated scandal (just take a look at how long the knowyourmeme page is on Russiagate). Here is a pretty up to date summary, though, if a bit partisan: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/08/why_the_russiagate_scandal_outranks_the_rest_146853.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/08/why_th...
- aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
  Maybe you have reply notifications: this seemed like the closest thing (not close at all, I'm afraid) you'd get to both a complete list, and not having to dig through multiple rants. https://themillenniumreport.com/2016/10/the-top-100-most-damaging-wikileaks/ https://themillenniumreport.com/2016/10/the-top-100-most-dam...