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It seems that a malicious person A who has a strong dislike or enmity for person B's projects could do some real harm by buying upvotes/clicks/likes for person

It seems that a malicious person A who has a strong dislike or enmity for person B's projects could do some real harm by buying upvotes/clicks/likes for person B's projects, getting them banned from various services. Make it look like person B naively went out and paid a third party upvote/promotion service, and make it obvious enough to be noticeable. to use some old internet terminology, make it look like a joe-job astroturf?

beckingz 5y ago
Apparently this was the move for a while on amazon: buy upvotes for the people who are listed higher than you so they get removed.
smegma2 5y ago
Twitch famously does not ban people for botting unless they have evidence that the streamer themselves ordered the bots. https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/how-to-handle-view-follow-bots?language=en_US#handle https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/how-to-handle-view-follow-b...
- nitwit005 5y ago
  I'm a bit doubtful, as even gaining real followers rapidly has apparently been a problem. That happened around 2 months ago with new members of the Hololive streaming group, as all their fans followed the new accounts.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    That is for YouTube, not Twitch. Hololive is mostly on YouTube except for a few exceptions, mostly for watchalongs with Amazon Prime.
    - nitwit005 5y ago
      I just misread Twitter instead of Twitch.
- sundarurfriend 5y ago
  And Twitch are well known for applying their rules fairly and consistently, to streamers big and small. /s At this point the divergence between the rules-as-written and rules-as-applied(-in-each-case) has become so apparent that I'd treat Twitch's help pages like comments on a decades old poorly maintained code base - any match between them and reality is almost accidental and cannot be relied upon.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    From what I have seen this is indeed Twitches prescribed approach, even for small streamers. I had a friend that was getting viewbotted when his channel was just starting to grow and remember being surprised he was worried it'd actually make him look bad to viewers (like he himself was trying to inflate his channel since his chat was dead vs the view count) but never worried Twitch was going to do anything to his account for it. Have you seen different for this topic or is that a generic reaction for any time Twitch help pages are linked?
  - smegma2 5y ago
    Agreed in general but for bots it anecdotally seems to be the case. For example Massan was blatantly viewbotting for a long time but he wasn't banned for several months at least (I don't remember the time).
jazzyjackson 5y ago
Reply All episode 182 mentions this occuring on twitter

beckingz 5y ago

Apparently this was the move for a while on amazon: buy upvotes for the people who are listed higher than you so they get removed.

smegma2 5y ago

Twitch famously does not ban people for botting unless they have evidence that the streamer themselves ordered the bots. https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/how-to-handle-view-follow-bots?language=en_US#handle https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/how-to-handle-view-follow-b...

nitwit005 5y ago
I'm a bit doubtful, as even gaining real followers rapidly has apparently been a problem. That happened around 2 months ago with new members of the Hololive streaming group, as all their fans followed the new accounts.
- Zababa 5y ago
  That is for YouTube, not Twitch. Hololive is mostly on YouTube except for a few exceptions, mostly for watchalongs with Amazon Prime.
  - nitwit005 5y ago
    I just misread Twitter instead of Twitch.
sundarurfriend 5y ago
And Twitch are well known for applying their rules fairly and consistently, to streamers big and small. /s At this point the divergence between the rules-as-written and rules-as-applied(-in-each-case) has become so apparent that I'd treat Twitch's help pages like comments on a decades old poorly maintained code base - any match between them and reality is almost accidental and cannot be relied upon.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  From what I have seen this is indeed Twitches prescribed approach, even for small streamers. I had a friend that was getting viewbotted when his channel was just starting to grow and remember being surprised he was worried it'd actually make him look bad to viewers (like he himself was trying to inflate his channel since his chat was dead vs the view count) but never worried Twitch was going to do anything to his account for it. Have you seen different for this topic or is that a generic reaction for any time Twitch help pages are linked?
- smegma2 5y ago
  Agreed in general but for bots it anecdotally seems to be the case. For example Massan was blatantly viewbotting for a long time but he wasn't banned for several months at least (I don't remember the time).

jazzyjackson 5y ago

Reply All episode 182 mentions this occuring on twitter