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I just wish more company adopt .net instead of java, the new .net core thing is a game changer. C# is a good language, combined with the runtime that can run an

I just wish more company adopt .net instead of java, the new .net core thing is a game changer. C# is a good language, combined with the runtime that can run anywhere? it's even better. The thing is enterprise companies mostly went with the safe route which is java, or most that use .net are stuck in the old version. Hopefully it will change for c#, MS needs something for startups / enterprise / new dev to excite them to choose .net core! (despite all the bad things in the past)

bob1029 5y ago
The new .net has been amazing for us. Biggest QoL improvement would be the self contained deployments. We do B2B software, and being able to email a customer a zip that is guaranteed to work on any windows server without bullshit has been beyond incredible. Our customers love the experience too. We switched to SQLite for persistence, so there are literally zero prereqs to an install now.
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  One of the reasons I love Go. Does the .zip file also contain the runtime? E.g., nothing is required to be installed on the remote system?
  - codenesium 5y ago
    Yes. .net now has self contained builds. The whole deploy can be a single executable with some caveats.
    - zeroc8 5y ago
      And Delphi could do that 20 years ago. I keep blaming Java for the big detour.
      - marwis 5y ago
        And Java could do that 22 years ago[1]. Blame people that were too cheap. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET
VikingCoder 5y ago
My biggest hold-out for using C# at a medium-sized company would still be how awful Projects and Solutions are, when working with a big team. I'd have to develop my own tooling, first.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
  I don't see how that could possibly be a problem. Yes, the old (pre-.NET Core), .csproj files were a mess, but the post-2017 .csproj/.props/.targets files are a pleasure to work with.
  - VikingCoder 5y ago
    Well, that's good to hear. We had problems where you would add some dependencies, and I would add the same dependencies, but the GUIDs would be different, and then everything was impossible to merge. You're saying that's gotten better?
    - hnrodey 5y ago
      Sounds like you were doing something wrong to manage your solution files.
      - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        To be fair every now and then the project files would get messed up by the tooling, and happened more often with nuget. It's still rare though and can be fixed by digging in to what's going on, or just recreating the projects and readding the source files.
        hnrodey 5y ago
        Our repo has nearly 15k .cs files across 700 .csproj files. If we can do this successfully, I think anyone can.
- codenesium 5y ago
hulitu 5y ago
> I just wish more company adopt .net instead of java, the new .net core thing is a game changer. C# is a good language, combined with the runtime that can run anywhere? it's even better. Yeah. Much better. Until you try to run it from a network share. Or your quad core laptop "Intel inside " goes in thermal throttling because .NET is "optimizing".
- kittiepryde 5y ago
  I'm curious about what is going on while .NET is "optimizing"? I haven't seen something like that, my laptop is AMD though? (I write .net code) Unsure how much of a difference that makes. I like .Net, it's not without it's issues, I think the same is true with Java, having been the administrator for some Java servers in the past, I've seen plenty of Java issues that seemed crazy ~ but I think we're talking about how great things are now, maybe, while saying it doesn't matter because how bad the legacy tech is?
  - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
    It's compiling interpreted code into machine code that's specific to the processor it's running on. Without this step it can still run but being interpreted it runs slower.
pjmlp 5y ago
Working on a polyglot consulting company, one reason that doesn't happen is that .NET hasn't fully embraced cross platform like Java. Outside Windows you only get a subset of the ecosystem, so you always have to watch out for libraries that have been written or ported to .NET Core explicitly, as a large majority of them might work on .NET Core on Windows, but fail everywhere else due to what they are using from Windows/COM. Additionally there are 15 years of .NET Framework ecosystem that can't be easily migrated to .NET Core due to breaking changes. Java doesn't suffer from this problem.
- lloydatkinson 5y ago
  Is your knowledge out of date? .NET Core is no more, we're on .NET 6 now. What libraries are you referring to, because outside of niche things like WCF there's very little left that doesn't run on every OS .NET 6 runs on now. Of course COM won't run on Linux.
  - zsims 5y ago
    All the Win32 component libraries, WPF, Entity Framework + extensions. There's oodles of these packages on nuget
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    .NET 6 is .NET Core renamed. Niche stuff like enterprise in-house build built 2002 and 2015 when Windows was the only game in town (mono wasn't really taken seriously), enterprise CMS like Sitecore and SharePoint, GUI frameworks (component libraries from DevExpress, ComponentOne, Telerik among others). And all the stuff Visual Studio Professional/Ultimate have on the box and Rider will never support, nor VSMac/VSCode.

bob1029 5y ago

The new .net has been amazing for us. Biggest QoL improvement would be the self contained deployments. We do B2B software, and being able to email a customer a zip that is guaranteed to work on any windows server without bullshit has been beyond incredible. Our customers love the experience too. We switched to SQLite for persistence, so there are literally zero prereqs to an install now.

ed25519FUUU 5y ago
One of the reasons I love Go. Does the .zip file also contain the runtime? E.g., nothing is required to be installed on the remote system?
- codenesium 5y ago
  Yes. .net now has self contained builds. The whole deploy can be a single executable with some caveats.
  - zeroc8 5y ago
    And Delphi could do that 20 years ago. I keep blaming Java for the big detour.
    - marwis 5y ago
      And Java could do that 22 years ago[1]. Blame people that were too cheap. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET

VikingCoder 5y ago

My biggest hold-out for using C# at a medium-sized company would still be how awful Projects and Solutions are, when working with a big team. I'd have to develop my own tooling, first.

DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
I don't see how that could possibly be a problem. Yes, the old (pre-.NET Core), .csproj files were a mess, but the post-2017 .csproj/.props/.targets files are a pleasure to work with.
- VikingCoder 5y ago
  Well, that's good to hear. We had problems where you would add some dependencies, and I would add the same dependencies, but the GUIDs would be different, and then everything was impossible to merge. You're saying that's gotten better?
  - hnrodey 5y ago
    Sounds like you were doing something wrong to manage your solution files.
    - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
      To be fair every now and then the project files would get messed up by the tooling, and happened more often with nuget. It's still rare though and can be fixed by digging in to what's going on, or just recreating the projects and readding the source files.
      - hnrodey 5y ago
        Our repo has nearly 15k .cs files across 700 .csproj files. If we can do this successfully, I think anyone can.
codenesium 5y ago

hulitu 5y ago

> I just wish more company adopt .net instead of java, the new .net core thing is a game changer. C# is a good language, combined with the runtime that can run anywhere? it's even better. Yeah. Much better. Until you try to run it from a network share. Or your quad core laptop "Intel inside " goes in thermal throttling because .NET is "optimizing".

kittiepryde 5y ago
I'm curious about what is going on while .NET is "optimizing"? I haven't seen something like that, my laptop is AMD though? (I write .net code) Unsure how much of a difference that makes. I like .Net, it's not without it's issues, I think the same is true with Java, having been the administrator for some Java servers in the past, I've seen plenty of Java issues that seemed crazy ~ but I think we're talking about how great things are now, maybe, while saying it doesn't matter because how bad the legacy tech is?
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  It's compiling interpreted code into machine code that's specific to the processor it's running on. Without this step it can still run but being interpreted it runs slower.

pjmlp 5y ago

Working on a polyglot consulting company, one reason that doesn't happen is that .NET hasn't fully embraced cross platform like Java. Outside Windows you only get a subset of the ecosystem, so you always have to watch out for libraries that have been written or ported to .NET Core explicitly, as a large majority of them might work on .NET Core on Windows, but fail everywhere else due to what they are using from Windows/COM. Additionally there are 15 years of .NET Framework ecosystem that can't be easily migrated to .NET Core due to breaking changes. Java doesn't suffer from this problem.

lloydatkinson 5y ago
Is your knowledge out of date? .NET Core is no more, we're on .NET 6 now. What libraries are you referring to, because outside of niche things like WCF there's very little left that doesn't run on every OS .NET 6 runs on now. Of course COM won't run on Linux.
- zsims 5y ago
  All the Win32 component libraries, WPF, Entity Framework + extensions. There's oodles of these packages on nuget
- pjmlp 5y ago
  .NET 6 is .NET Core renamed. Niche stuff like enterprise in-house build built 2002 and 2015 when Windows was the only game in town (mono wasn't really taken seriously), enterprise CMS like Sitecore and SharePoint, GUI frameworks (component libraries from DevExpress, ComponentOne, Telerik among others). And all the stuff Visual Studio Professional/Ultimate have on the box and Rider will never support, nor VSMac/VSCode.