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Congrats on the launch! The code seems to be Apache 2.0 which opens the door to AWS or other big clouds just hosting the service instead of people using your cl

by Sytten 5y ago

Congrats on the launch! The code seems to be Apache 2.0 which opens the door to AWS or other big clouds just hosting the service instead of people using your cloud service. Are you guys planning to change the license to prevent that? On a tangent note, I find it is honestly annoying to have to maintain a separate account/authorization/vpc connection just because I want to use a database. I would much rather startups work with cloud providers to offer it natively or we invent a better way to interoperate with clouds. The explosion of small "cloud" that offer one service each isn't pleasant to work it especially when they don't have a terraform provider.

1st1 5y ago
Re license we have an answer for you here: https://github.com/edgedb/edgedb/discussions/3377 https://github.com/edgedb/edgedb/discussions/3377 Re second point you can deploy edgedb to your cloud of choice. As for working with cloud providers to make integration better for the user, it's a bit too early for us to comment.
- Sytten 5y ago
  Thanks! Cloud of choice is great, also need region and AZ of choice too for any serious production database. What is killing performance is round trip time to the DB. The language seems to help on the number of round-trips so that's good.
  - 1st1 5y ago
    > The language seems to help on the number of round-trips so that's good. Yep, you got it! :)
colinmcd 5y ago
A lot to unpack here. 1. If other clouds want to offer a hosted EdgeDB offering, they can do so. We'll have a tight integration with the `edgedb` CLI and we're confident we can beat them on the developer experience which is our #1 priority. 2. We'll likely use GitHub for auth though this isn't set in stone yet. We're still planning out the workflows surrounding EdgeDB Cloud. 3. As for the explosion of cloud silos—that's a very real phenomenon with a boring reason: hosting is one of the few ways to make money building OSS software. There are preposterously valuable OSS frameworks + libraries that haven't made anyone a cent. We implemented "one-click" deploy buttons for the major clouds to the extent it was possible to do, but for fully open-source companies like EdgeDB there's aren't many routes to sustainability outside of paid hosting.
- Sytten 5y ago
  Fair, thanks for the answers! Honestly hopes it works out for you, but I am very cautious about these things. Elasticsearch, Mongo, Timescale all ended up changing license at some point. Yeah thats ok for startups I guess. Yeah sad state of affair really, though fully solvable by tech IMO if we had some protocol for integrating services in clouds. In any case, please don't underestimate the terraform integration. I really could not care less about the one-click deploy. What I care about is maintenance and integration with my existing infrastructure as code.
  - colinmcd 5y ago
    Thanks! Point taken re: Terraform, we'll give that some thought.

by Sytten 5y ago

1st1 5y ago

Re license we have an answer for you here: https://github.com/edgedb/edgedb/discussions/3377 https://github.com/edgedb/edgedb/discussions/3377 Re second point you can deploy edgedb to your cloud of choice. As for working with cloud providers to make integration better for the user, it's a bit too early for us to comment.

Sytten 5y ago
Thanks! Cloud of choice is great, also need region and AZ of choice too for any serious production database. What is killing performance is round trip time to the DB. The language seems to help on the number of round-trips so that's good.
- 1st1 5y ago
  > The language seems to help on the number of round-trips so that's good. Yep, you got it! :)

colinmcd 5y ago

A lot to unpack here. 1. If other clouds want to offer a hosted EdgeDB offering, they can do so. We'll have a tight integration with the `edgedb` CLI and we're confident we can beat them on the developer experience which is our #1 priority. 2. We'll likely use GitHub for auth though this isn't set in stone yet. We're still planning out the workflows surrounding EdgeDB Cloud. 3. As for the explosion of cloud silos—that's a very real phenomenon with a boring reason: hosting is one of the few ways to make money building OSS software. There are preposterously valuable OSS frameworks + libraries that haven't made anyone a cent. We implemented "one-click" deploy buttons for the major clouds to the extent it was possible to do, but for fully open-source companies like EdgeDB there's aren't many routes to sustainability outside of paid hosting.

Sytten 5y ago
Fair, thanks for the answers! Honestly hopes it works out for you, but I am very cautious about these things. Elasticsearch, Mongo, Timescale all ended up changing license at some point. Yeah thats ok for startups I guess. Yeah sad state of affair really, though fully solvable by tech IMO if we had some protocol for integrating services in clouds. In any case, please don't underestimate the terraform integration. I really could not care less about the one-click deploy. What I care about is maintenance and integration with my existing infrastructure as code.
- colinmcd 5y ago
  Thanks! Point taken re: Terraform, we'll give that some thought.