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Why a new language? I can see and understand why and where graphs beat out SQL, but what does EdgeQL have over existing graph languages? Eg. vs Cypher or the l

Why a new language? I can see and understand why and where graphs beat out SQL, but what does EdgeQL have over existing graph languages? Eg. vs Cypher or the likely-Cypher-compatible forthcoming GQL standard? https://www.gqlstandards.org/ https://www.gqlstandards.org/

hobofan 5y ago
Forthcoming? Given that the last sign of live has been from 3 years ago in a space with already little movement GQL seems to be most likely dead.
- hvacker 5y ago
  Well, the last update on the official ISO page https://www.iso.org/standard/76120.html https://www.iso.org/standard/76120.html is from November 2021. Does not look that dead to me. Standardization projects typically take awhile, specifically for something complicated as a query language spec.
  - keithwhare 5y ago
    The international committee (ISO/IEC JTC1 SC32 WG3 Database Languages) that is responsible for the database language standards SQL and GQL is pretty good at writing standards and not as good at taking about the work in progress. SC32 WG3 is developing two related standards to support property graphs: 1. SQL/PGQ (ISO/IEC JTC1 9075 part 16) -- This adds language to create property graph views on top of existing SQL tables and write property graph queries in a GRAPH_TABLE function in an SQL FROM statement. 2. GQL (ISO/IEC JTC1 39075 Database Language GQL) -- This is a full declarative property graph database language to create, maintain, and query graphs. This includes support for both descriptive and prescriptive schemas. The Graph Pattern Matching language is identical between the two standards. For more details about GPM, see https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.06217 https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.06217 The ISO process has a defines series of milestones. I will spare you the details at the moment. SQL/PGQ will start a Draft International Standard (DIS) ballot in July 2022 and so will be a published standard next year - 2023. GQL will finish a Committee Draft (CD) ballot this month (February 2022) and should be ready for a DIS ballot in early 2023. However because GPM is shared between SQL/PGQ and GQL, the GQL Graph Pattern Matching will be stable when SQL/PGQ goes to DIS ballot. For a little more detail on the GQL standards process and content, take a look at the talks from the LDBC TUC meeting August 2021: https://ldbcouncil.org/event/fourteenth-tuc-meeting/ https://ldbcouncil.org/event/fourteenth-tuc-meeting/
RedCrowbar 5y ago
EdgeQL is designed to replace SQL, not graph query languages. Think of it as SQL getting a proper type system and GraphQL capabilities of reaching into deep relationships in an ergonomic way.

hobofan 5y ago

Forthcoming? Given that the last sign of live has been from 3 years ago in a space with already little movement GQL seems to be most likely dead.

hvacker 5y ago
Well, the last update on the official ISO page https://www.iso.org/standard/76120.html https://www.iso.org/standard/76120.html is from November 2021. Does not look that dead to me. Standardization projects typically take awhile, specifically for something complicated as a query language spec.
- keithwhare 5y ago
  The international committee (ISO/IEC JTC1 SC32 WG3 Database Languages) that is responsible for the database language standards SQL and GQL is pretty good at writing standards and not as good at taking about the work in progress. SC32 WG3 is developing two related standards to support property graphs: 1. SQL/PGQ (ISO/IEC JTC1 9075 part 16) -- This adds language to create property graph views on top of existing SQL tables and write property graph queries in a GRAPH_TABLE function in an SQL FROM statement. 2. GQL (ISO/IEC JTC1 39075 Database Language GQL) -- This is a full declarative property graph database language to create, maintain, and query graphs. This includes support for both descriptive and prescriptive schemas. The Graph Pattern Matching language is identical between the two standards. For more details about GPM, see https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.06217 https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.06217 The ISO process has a defines series of milestones. I will spare you the details at the moment. SQL/PGQ will start a Draft International Standard (DIS) ballot in July 2022 and so will be a published standard next year - 2023. GQL will finish a Committee Draft (CD) ballot this month (February 2022) and should be ready for a DIS ballot in early 2023. However because GPM is shared between SQL/PGQ and GQL, the GQL Graph Pattern Matching will be stable when SQL/PGQ goes to DIS ballot. For a little more detail on the GQL standards process and content, take a look at the talks from the LDBC TUC meeting August 2021: https://ldbcouncil.org/event/fourteenth-tuc-meeting/ https://ldbcouncil.org/event/fourteenth-tuc-meeting/

RedCrowbar 5y ago

EdgeQL is designed to replace SQL, not graph query languages. Think of it as SQL getting a proper type system and GraphQL capabilities of reaching into deep relationships in an ergonomic way.