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It is also quite possible that the Neanderthals were stronger, faster, smarter, and more moral/ethical, and that sapiens were simply crueler, more diabolical, m

It is also quite possible that the Neanderthals were stronger, faster, smarter, and more moral/ethical, and that sapiens were simply crueler, more diabolical, more savage. It is quite difficult to imagine a species that is more vicious to even its own members, let alone members of other species, than ours is.

mellavora 5y ago
the percentage of deaths caused by other members of the same species: Hylobates lar - 8.93% Gorilla beringei - 5.00% Pan troglodytes - 4.49% Hylobates agilis - 4.17% Nomascus hainanus - 1.00% Pongo abelii - 0.82% Pan paniscus - 0.68% Nomascus gabriellae - 0.59% Nomascus leucogenys - 0.59% Nomascus siki - 0.59% Nomascus concolor - 0.36% Gorilla gorilla - 0.14% Modern humans - 0.14% Medieval Age, Old World - 12.08% (± 7.15%) https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19758.epdf?referrer_access_token=l8ioYKjUYPdWetGttHPLutRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MV6-Ms_XF0JyPRKMYcJKvFhuYb7GC50qzB9LvsxOAiqpkiAHTci-g8JHeQIWOVYMgheuFk4B8Zzv6deVnKMYbfBluXDcqTM1UoneUZPpn-E1-V-s1T7IJ9lwB11kHwshKrkcooBV0UfzjyiTMYND69cQd_WVimlU6qiG6JDtLgkrjdmsdCfEWHUpzQuURMexwHeZtzctTwlmf13fTXnakhwdkjD2xWYnCJ8AjCDdU8OwthTU8O_vQtCe42ZHdWNmUSHZLng4RzKuOr0D5wmikI&tracking_referrer=www.theatlantic.com https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19758.epdf?referrer_ac...
- kuhewa 5y ago
  The paper indicates that at times and levels of.social organisation our lethal violence rate increases well above the phylogenically predicted 2% — see Fig. 3c the contemporary band and tribe median estimates of 5±1% which are probably considerably more accurate than inferring from prehistoric remains). Other work suggests during resource scarcity hunter gatherer lethal violence shoots way up as well. I'm actually not sure what my point was, other than I suppose early humans under the conditions of contact with Neanderthals probably were on par with the most violent of phylogenetically similar animals.

mellavora 5y ago

the percentage of deaths caused by other members of the same species: Hylobates lar - 8.93% Gorilla beringei - 5.00% Pan troglodytes - 4.49% Hylobates agilis - 4.17% Nomascus hainanus - 1.00% Pongo abelii - 0.82% Pan paniscus - 0.68% Nomascus gabriellae - 0.59% Nomascus leucogenys - 0.59% Nomascus siki - 0.59% Nomascus concolor - 0.36% Gorilla gorilla - 0.14% Modern humans - 0.14% Medieval Age, Old World - 12.08% (± 7.15%) https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19758.epdf?referrer_access_token=l8ioYKjUYPdWetGttHPLutRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MV6-Ms_XF0JyPRKMYcJKvFhuYb7GC50qzB9LvsxOAiqpkiAHTci-g8JHeQIWOVYMgheuFk4B8Zzv6deVnKMYbfBluXDcqTM1UoneUZPpn-E1-V-s1T7IJ9lwB11kHwshKrkcooBV0UfzjyiTMYND69cQd_WVimlU6qiG6JDtLgkrjdmsdCfEWHUpzQuURMexwHeZtzctTwlmf13fTXnakhwdkjD2xWYnCJ8AjCDdU8OwthTU8O_vQtCe42ZHdWNmUSHZLng4RzKuOr0D5wmikI&tracking_referrer=www.theatlantic.com https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19758.epdf?referrer_ac...

kuhewa 5y ago
The paper indicates that at times and levels of.social organisation our lethal violence rate increases well above the phylogenically predicted 2% — see Fig. 3c the contemporary band and tribe median estimates of 5±1% which are probably considerably more accurate than inferring from prehistoric remains). Other work suggests during resource scarcity hunter gatherer lethal violence shoots way up as well. I'm actually not sure what my point was, other than I suppose early humans under the conditions of contact with Neanderthals probably were on par with the most violent of phylogenetically similar animals.