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> iPhones hold value. Really? How much? If you use your iPhone for two years, what would be the TCO? > are usable much longer Fairphone is supporting their d

> iPhones hold value. Really? How much? If you use your iPhone for two years, what would be the TCO? > are usable much longer Fairphone is supporting their devices for 5 years at a minimum. They promised 7 years for their latest model. And the Fairphone (who has the burden of promoting ethical manuafacturing, using only fair-sourced materials and fair pay to all their workers) still comes at less than half the price of the iPhone. Or say that you don't care about ethics and you just want your devices to be as cheap as possible. You can buy "budget premium" Androids (Moto Gs, Nokia 6/7) that are very serviceable for less than €200. The Nokia I bought in end-2018 would still be in use today if I hadn't gone to /e/OS, so €180 bought 4 years of "phone". Economically speaking, there is no way that an Apple device can beat that.

llbeansandrice 5y ago
> Fairphone These are really interesting and I hadn't seen them before thanks!
countername 5y ago
I think iPhones are on a different quality level than a FairPhone so you can't compare it 1:1
- rglullis 5y ago
  They are absolutely on different categories. One is a device made by a company with a minimal ethical standard, which is not willing to sacrifice those for profits. The other is a trillion-dollar company that manages to convince billions of people world-wide that their products will make them smarter/more creative/just like the good guy on TV shows. This image and feel-good ads also gets them to convince people that is totally fine to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to upgrade their devices while talking about "social good", "climate-conscious" and every fucking talking point of the "progressive/anti-capitalist" millenials. IOW, all the feel-good talk about issues gives them enough cover to get to exploit mass-scale consumerism. I wonder how they do that? Perhaps it's this thing called "marketing"?

llbeansandrice 5y ago

> Fairphone These are really interesting and I hadn't seen them before thanks!

countername 5y ago

I think iPhones are on a different quality level than a FairPhone so you can't compare it 1:1

rglullis 5y ago
They are absolutely on different categories. One is a device made by a company with a minimal ethical standard, which is not willing to sacrifice those for profits. The other is a trillion-dollar company that manages to convince billions of people world-wide that their products will make them smarter/more creative/just like the good guy on TV shows. This image and feel-good ads also gets them to convince people that is totally fine to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to upgrade their devices while talking about "social good", "climate-conscious" and every fucking talking point of the "progressive/anti-capitalist" millenials. IOW, all the feel-good talk about issues gives them enough cover to get to exploit mass-scale consumerism. I wonder how they do that? Perhaps it's this thing called "marketing"?