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So yeah, using HTTP to connect to a server that happened to be in the US... That's the thing that prevented us from selling in France. But thanks for lecturi

So yeah, using HTTP to connect to a server that happened to be in the US... That's the thing that prevented us from selling in France. But thanks for lecturing me that "vendor lock in" was what killed our 6-developer team that was developing hardware, and computer vision, and 3D computer graphics, while developing a health care product under the tons of regulation that comes with that. Your arrogance is just stunning.

javajosh 5y ago
Hey, I feel your pain. Companies are like children to a founder, and you have described the heroic acts you've taken to save your child. It absolutely sucks to be in your position. I think it's important to warn "parents" (or future parents) to avoid this particular tragedy, which I think is quite avoidable. I want to encourage people to question the orthodoxy around cloud, that everyone is doing it so its fine, and worse is better anyway, yada yada. It may be insensitive to use your situation to illustrate the downside of cloud vendor lock-in, but my motivation is not to look down on you, but to warn others about this very real, very painful outcome that they court when they make the popular choice.
- VikingCoder 5y ago
  I wasn't a founder. I was one of the 6 developers. We happened to not use any vendor-specific APIs. And it still killed us to fork our stack, and to teach our kiosks to be able to talk to the right server, and the extra cost of the servers in France, and the lack of support we saw from the provider in France...
  - hda2 5y ago
    Would you reconsider naming the provider?
  - salawat 5y ago
    Many noble efforts fail this way. You are not alone. This is one of those lessons you learn in regards to keeping your audience narrow, and executing on one thing at a time. It's embittering, hardens the heart, and makes you want to give up, but you've gotta redouble and bust through it. And by all means, shame the provider if they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.
jelliclesfarm 5y ago
your frustration is justified. azure/aws is the entire environment. i dont think you could have implemented the suggested magical suggestion in any relevant or practical way.
- irrational 5y ago
  Thank you for this response. Calling it a magical suggestion really does feel accurate. I was sitting here trying to think how you would even do this when everything is running on AWS (or Azure).
eecc 5y ago
> your arrogance is just stunning. Sorry if I don’t follow your reasoning, I’m still stuck at this piece of USA policy you seemed to have glossed over: > Sec. 14. Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2017-01-30/pdf/2017-02102.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2017-01-30/pdf/2017-0...
- fsckboy 5y ago
  "Agencies" refers to parts of the US govt; that is a US govt regulation for its own agencies with respect to its own citizens and the regulation of immigration. It has nothing to do with e-commerce, cloud storage, start-ups, web services, etc. Just as France accords its own citoyens rights that foreigners aren't entitled to.

javajosh 5y ago

Hey, I feel your pain. Companies are like children to a founder, and you have described the heroic acts you've taken to save your child. It absolutely sucks to be in your position. I think it's important to warn "parents" (or future parents) to avoid this particular tragedy, which I think is quite avoidable. I want to encourage people to question the orthodoxy around cloud, that everyone is doing it so its fine, and worse is better anyway, yada yada. It may be insensitive to use your situation to illustrate the downside of cloud vendor lock-in, but my motivation is not to look down on you, but to warn others about this very real, very painful outcome that they court when they make the popular choice.

VikingCoder 5y ago
I wasn't a founder. I was one of the 6 developers. We happened to not use any vendor-specific APIs. And it still killed us to fork our stack, and to teach our kiosks to be able to talk to the right server, and the extra cost of the servers in France, and the lack of support we saw from the provider in France...
- hda2 5y ago
  Would you reconsider naming the provider?
- salawat 5y ago
  Many noble efforts fail this way. You are not alone. This is one of those lessons you learn in regards to keeping your audience narrow, and executing on one thing at a time. It's embittering, hardens the heart, and makes you want to give up, but you've gotta redouble and bust through it. And by all means, shame the provider if they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago

your frustration is justified. azure/aws is the entire environment. i dont think you could have implemented the suggested magical suggestion in any relevant or practical way.

irrational 5y ago
Thank you for this response. Calling it a magical suggestion really does feel accurate. I was sitting here trying to think how you would even do this when everything is running on AWS (or Azure).

eecc 5y ago

> your arrogance is just stunning. Sorry if I don’t follow your reasoning, I’m still stuck at this piece of USA policy you seemed to have glossed over: > Sec. 14. Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2017-01-30/pdf/2017-02102.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2017-01-30/pdf/2017-0...

fsckboy 5y ago
"Agencies" refers to parts of the US govt; that is a US govt regulation for its own agencies with respect to its own citizens and the regulation of immigration. It has nothing to do with e-commerce, cloud storage, start-ups, web services, etc. Just as France accords its own citoyens rights that foreigners aren't entitled to.