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Yeah, but in practice... the iPhone/Apple represents an example par excellence: Planned obsolescence, dated features, software deprecation, false narrative (e.g

Yeah, but in practice... the iPhone/Apple represents an example par excellence: Planned obsolescence, dated features, software deprecation, false narrative (e.g. privacy). The plan is to always provide that fulfillment until it is time for you to renew your subscription. Then the fulfillment reward is attached to a new product and the consumer must acquiesce. Consumerism is this forest. Stepping any deeper into the waters, keep this outdoorsy pun rolling, is an arbitrary excersize. "What does it mean to 'be'?" Abstraction does not undo the real harm caused by corporations.

skybrian 5y ago
I don't have one, but don't iPhones typically work longer than many Android phones? I do have an iMac that's at least a decade old. I should install Linux since the OS isn't supported anymore, but it seems like it's had a good run.
- upsidesinclude 5y ago
  No. Try a lightweight distro & just install Kodi or Plex for a media server. I have several old laptops (hp 17yrs, Toshiba 8yrs, Acer 11yrs) for that purpose
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  > don't iPhones typically work longer than many Android phones Given that Google only updates Android for half as many years on a Pixel phone, there is planned obsolescence in play here, but not from Apple.
llbeansandrice 5y ago
> iPhone/Apple represents an example par excellence: Planned obsolescence, dated features, software deprecation, false narrative I feel like people say this and then don't provide any decent examples. iPhones hold value and are usable much longer than most Androids thanks to Apple's willingness to support the devices. HN loves to hate on Apple but I don't find these examples and arguments very compelling.
- rglullis 5y ago
  The mere fact that you believe that Android is the only alternative to an iPhone shows how effective the manipulation is.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    That's because for all practical purposes, it is. Name one bank or payment system in the developed world that released a native mobile app for KaiOS.
    - rglullis 5y ago
      First, name one bank that is not willing to provide you service if you don't have a smartphone. Even if you do find it, ask yourself if this is the type of bank that you really want to work with. Second, how was it that banks managed to operate for centuries and now there is the idea that people simply can not live without a mobile banking app? Third, minority rule[0]: the best way to make sure that we can see apps being develop for other platforms (not just KaiOS, but Linux devices and even ungoogled AOSP-based systems) is for us to cultivate the intolerant minorities who simply will refuse to run iOS/Android. Convenience is nice, but freedom is much better. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
        > First, name one bank that is not willing to provide you service if you don't have a smartphone. Monzo comes to mind. Also possibly Revolut and Starling. > people simply can not live without a mobile banking app? The idea isn't that I'm not capable of banking without an app. An app offers concrete advantages such as being able to view your current account balance in real time, and view the amount of recent transactions. This lets you keep a handle on spending, possibly help with making ends meet if you are a student living on their own, or in poverty. Sure you can do it by hand, but only the most dedicated did it because it's a significant effort. > cultivate the intolerant minorities who simply will refuse to run iOS/Android. Good luck with that. I tried the dumbphone lifestyle, but ultimately not running Android or iOS will cut you off from basic services like Uber or public transit navigation/timetables (unless you are lucky), group chats with family and friends, and basic conveniences like said mobile banking. > Convenience is nice, but freedom is much better. With all due respect, no. We all have a threshold where it's just not worth it. I am not Stallman and I am not willing to put up with this much pain (or to rope my family and friends into my crusade by demanding they accede to my idea of "mobile purity").

skybrian 5y ago

I don't have one, but don't iPhones typically work longer than many Android phones? I do have an iMac that's at least a decade old. I should install Linux since the OS isn't supported anymore, but it seems like it's had a good run.

upsidesinclude 5y ago
No. Try a lightweight distro & just install Kodi or Plex for a media server. I have several old laptops (hp 17yrs, Toshiba 8yrs, Acer 11yrs) for that purpose
GeekyBear 5y ago
> don't iPhones typically work longer than many Android phones Given that Google only updates Android for half as many years on a Pixel phone, there is planned obsolescence in play here, but not from Apple.

llbeansandrice 5y ago

> iPhone/Apple represents an example par excellence: Planned obsolescence, dated features, software deprecation, false narrative I feel like people say this and then don't provide any decent examples. iPhones hold value and are usable much longer than most Androids thanks to Apple's willingness to support the devices. HN loves to hate on Apple but I don't find these examples and arguments very compelling.

rglullis 5y ago
The mere fact that you believe that Android is the only alternative to an iPhone shows how effective the manipulation is.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  That's because for all practical purposes, it is. Name one bank or payment system in the developed world that released a native mobile app for KaiOS.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    First, name one bank that is not willing to provide you service if you don't have a smartphone. Even if you do find it, ask yourself if this is the type of bank that you really want to work with. Second, how was it that banks managed to operate for centuries and now there is the idea that people simply can not live without a mobile banking app? Third, minority rule[0]: the best way to make sure that we can see apps being develop for other platforms (not just KaiOS, but Linux devices and even ungoogled AOSP-based systems) is for us to cultivate the intolerant minorities who simply will refuse to run iOS/Android. Convenience is nice, but freedom is much better. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      > First, name one bank that is not willing to provide you service if you don't have a smartphone. Monzo comes to mind. Also possibly Revolut and Starling. > people simply can not live without a mobile banking app? The idea isn't that I'm not capable of banking without an app. An app offers concrete advantages such as being able to view your current account balance in real time, and view the amount of recent transactions. This lets you keep a handle on spending, possibly help with making ends meet if you are a student living on their own, or in poverty. Sure you can do it by hand, but only the most dedicated did it because it's a significant effort. > cultivate the intolerant minorities who simply will refuse to run iOS/Android. Good luck with that. I tried the dumbphone lifestyle, but ultimately not running Android or iOS will cut you off from basic services like Uber or public transit navigation/timetables (unless you are lucky), group chats with family and friends, and basic conveniences like said mobile banking. > Convenience is nice, but freedom is much better. With all due respect, no. We all have a threshold where it's just not worth it. I am not Stallman and I am not willing to put up with this much pain (or to rope my family and friends into my crusade by demanding they accede to my idea of "mobile purity").