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> It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe And even then it seems risky the EU will deem the business model entirely in violation of priv

> It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe And even then it seems risky the EU will deem the business model entirely in violation of privacy laws. It's very chilling When the EU finally completes their utopian/dystopian ideas of privacy from foreign Internet services, the great firewall of Europe, perhaps then EU regulators will look inward and do the same things? But for now it all has the appearance of disfavoring International Internet services, as if to encourage regional tech companies to advance. Which seems reasonable, Europe seems to have lost most of it's Tech companies, and that's a problem that needs to be fixed. It's just weird to go about the problem by claiming International companies are in violation.

tempnow987 5y ago
What's funny is I don't think of the EU was that high on the privacy list? Doesn't govt slurp up data on its citizens in terms of national health care systems, databases on identity, easy access to online records etc? Is there even a trial by jury in the EU? I thought they had a type of prosecutor / judge that could go rooting around anywhere they want pretty much unchecked.
- withinboredom 5y ago
  It’s not about what you collect. It’s about consent and transparency. I can log into my government website and literally see anything about myself that is known to the government. If you get arrested, your name isn’t released to the press so you can continue your life afterwards. If you go to jail, and apply for a job afterwards, they do a background check. If the job has nothing to do with what you got arrested for, it comes back clean. These are all sensible things. When I grew up in the US, I had absolutely no privacy or expectation of privacy with the digital world. I don’t miss it.
zwaps 5y ago
The point is though that a EU citizen has zero privacy rights when data is transferred to the US. Zero. Not US level protection, not EU level protection - just fair game. For that simple reason the EU has to step in. There is no other way.
freeflight 5y ago
> the great firewall of Europe It's not Europe who blocks anybody, but plenty of US websites just blanket-block EU visitors because they can't be arsed to create a GDPR compliant website. Which, as a European, in practice feels like running into a great American firewall.

tempnow987 5y ago

What's funny is I don't think of the EU was that high on the privacy list? Doesn't govt slurp up data on its citizens in terms of national health care systems, databases on identity, easy access to online records etc? Is there even a trial by jury in the EU? I thought they had a type of prosecutor / judge that could go rooting around anywhere they want pretty much unchecked.

withinboredom 5y ago
It’s not about what you collect. It’s about consent and transparency. I can log into my government website and literally see anything about myself that is known to the government. If you get arrested, your name isn’t released to the press so you can continue your life afterwards. If you go to jail, and apply for a job afterwards, they do a background check. If the job has nothing to do with what you got arrested for, it comes back clean. These are all sensible things. When I grew up in the US, I had absolutely no privacy or expectation of privacy with the digital world. I don’t miss it.

zwaps 5y ago

The point is though that a EU citizen has zero privacy rights when data is transferred to the US. Zero. Not US level protection, not EU level protection - just fair game. For that simple reason the EU has to step in. There is no other way.

freeflight 5y ago

> the great firewall of Europe It's not Europe who blocks anybody, but plenty of US websites just blanket-block EU visitors because they can't be arsed to create a GDPR compliant website. Which, as a European, in practice feels like running into a great American firewall.