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Do accountants and lawyers routinely use or sell their customers' aggregated data for commercial purposes? Does US law require accountants and lawyers to give

by piaste 5y ago

Do accountants and lawyers routinely use or sell their customers' aggregated data for commercial purposes? Does US law require accountants and lawyers to give the NSA access to their customers' data upon request, with an automatic gag order attached? If it did, would it still be OK for non-American companies to a US-based accountant or lawyer?

sbarre 5y ago
> Do accountants and lawyers routinely use or sell their customers' aggregated data for commercial purposes? No, and that's the point I was making! It's a fallacy to say "all analytics providers are selling my data". That's not true, it's Google. OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable, simply because of how Google operates. That's the discussion in this subthread.
- eps 5y ago
  > OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable Don't put words in my mouth. I was not claiming that. Third-party analytics _that bill themselves "privacy-first"_ are still not what any user would consent to voluntarily, so the "privacy" angle is largely irrelevant. What they should be billing themselves as is "not Google Analytics", which will be factually correct and somewhat relevant.
  - sbarre 5y ago
    >> OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable > Don't put words in my mouth. I was not claiming that. You stated that only self-hosted analytics were acceptable. Your exact words were: > The only way to do analytics in a way that's respectful to the visitors' privacy is with an installable on-host software. That's it. This implies - to me - that in your view all third-party analytics are unacceptable from privacy perspective. I'm not sure how else I was supposed to parse that statement? Either way, I disagreed with that, and said it's certainly possible to work with third-party service providers, of many kinds including analytics, while still respecting your customers' privacy.

by piaste 5y ago

sbarre 5y ago

> Do accountants and lawyers routinely use or sell their customers' aggregated data for commercial purposes? No, and that's the point I was making! It's a fallacy to say "all analytics providers are selling my data". That's not true, it's Google. OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable, simply because of how Google operates. That's the discussion in this subthread.

eps 5y ago
> OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable Don't put words in my mouth. I was not claiming that. Third-party analytics _that bill themselves "privacy-first"_ are still not what any user would consent to voluntarily, so the "privacy" angle is largely irrelevant. What they should be billing themselves as is "not Google Analytics", which will be factually correct and somewhat relevant.
- sbarre 5y ago
  >> OP was claiming that any third-party analytics are unacceptable > Don't put words in my mouth. I was not claiming that. You stated that only self-hosted analytics were acceptable. Your exact words were: > The only way to do analytics in a way that's respectful to the visitors' privacy is with an installable on-host software. That's it. This implies - to me - that in your view all third-party analytics are unacceptable from privacy perspective. I'm not sure how else I was supposed to parse that statement? Either way, I disagreed with that, and said it's certainly possible to work with third-party service providers, of many kinds including analytics, while still respecting your customers' privacy.