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> Wouldn't there be other ways for you to prove you were a "Level 4" or whatever at Apple and not an associate? An offer letter from Apple? Having gone through
by tristor 5y ago
> Wouldn't there be other ways for you to prove you were a "Level 4" or whatever at Apple and not an associate? An offer letter from Apple?
Having gone through this with several employers, the largest company doing this verification is HireRight. HireRight is BEYOND incompetent at every single level. They refuse documentation such as offer letters on company letterhead to prove a title. The only documentation they accept from applicants is highly sensitive tax documentation from the IRS, which of course does not contain titles but incidentally reveals compensation details they can hoover up into their database but is not relevant to the purpose they were hired by your future employer to do.
If you think credit reporting agencies in the US are Machiavellian and maliciously incompetent, wait until you deal with employment verification firms, they're worse and often the same corporate entities (as noted in the article, another large one is WorkNumber owned by Equifax). These entities put most of the work onto the candidate, display no competence or care for accuracy whatsoever, and generally deliver intentionally misleading or inaccurate results to your future employer. It's so pervasive, that my own complaints to my recruiter were heeded and understood because in their words "oh their reports are always wrong about employment history, we only pay attention to the criminal background check part."
So, in short, no you can't simply provide a valid offer letter showing the title you were hired with to prove that title or to prove a promotion.
- daniel_reetz 5y agoCan confirm. And Apple used HireRight when they hired me.
- eunoia 5y agoMe too. HireRight was somehow completely unable to contact some of my previous employers. Situation resulted in me visiting old offices in person for proof of employment to satisfy HireRight. This all occurred after I had accepted the job offer and took a long and stressful time.
- tristor 5y ago> This all occurred after I had accepted the job offer and took a long and stressful time. Same situation for me, which is especially problematic because it's standard practice for offers or start dates of employment in the US to be contingent on the return of a clear background check within the first 30-90 days. Which means you might have already started onboarding to the new role and still be fighting with HireRight (has happened to me 3 times in ~18 years). More annoyingly, HireRight's own databases don't refer to previous points in time when you've corrected their errors, so each time starts from square one.
- dnissley 5y agoJust went through hire right for the second time in my life -- interestingly they do now warn you to redact your income information from the w-2s they require.
- propogandist 5y agoI checked my data on The Work Number [1], and see that my prior employer shared details on pay, overtime and even Bonuses received! It seem my prior employers were providing information down to gross and net pay PER pay cycle, with details about my medical, dental and vision insurance coverage [!!] This is from Equifax, the company that got hacked and lost PII, and they are getting extremely detailed information! [1] https://employees.theworknumber.com/ https://employees.theworknumber.com/