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No offense, but that’s sort of a bitter take on software development and reads like a middle manager who has contempt for software engineers.

by bsuvc 5y ago

sillyquiet 5y ago
I don't think this is the case at all, maaaaybe it's a tad cynical in tone, but I think overall it's a pragmatic and realistic view of software engineering, ESPECIALLY web development. I say that as someone who is been in the industry since just before the first .com bust, and have seen a lot of this cycle.
ihateolives 5y ago
No offense, but you have probably not been in software development for 25+ years. I've been doing web dev for 30 yrs and it's kind of funny to see everyone inventing server side rendering, plain old html and php again. It's a spiral, not a circle and we're a bit wiser and performant this time, but much of it has been done and gone in some way or another.
- anhner 5y ago
  If you think this is the same as "old html and php again" then you haven't understood the article.
- bsuvc 5y ago
  > No offense, but you have probably not been in software development for 25+ years. You're wrong about this. You and I see things differently. You see things as never being new and "plain old X and Y again". I try to see things with fresh eyes, yet still with the benefit of my 25+ years in the industry. I try not to make assumptions that limit my thinking about something. Some might call it a beginner's mindset, and it has served me well.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  > I've been doing web dev for 30 yrs That would be impressive, since Mosaic is only 29 years old at this point :) I don't thinking people are reinventing server side rendering. Rediscovering it, perhaps. It has always been here, along with plain old HTML and PHP. The modern toolbox of JS-based toolboxes exists for a reason: all the things that you can't do (or can only do very clunkily) with server-side implementations. That hasn't changed. What people wanted from a web page in 1994 is so utterly different than what many web pages are expected to do now. If it's a spiral, it's one that is spiralling out, not in, as the scope expands significantly.

No offense, but that’s sort of a bitter take on software development and reads like a middle manager who has contempt for software engineers.

by bsuvc 5y ago

No offense, but that’s sort of a bitter take on software development and reads like a middle manager who has contempt for software engineers.

sillyquiet 5y ago

I don't think this is the case at all, maaaaybe it's a tad cynical in tone, but I think overall it's a pragmatic and realistic view of software engineering, ESPECIALLY web development. I say that as someone who is been in the industry since just before the first .com bust, and have seen a lot of this cycle.

ihateolives 5y ago

No offense, but you have probably not been in software development for 25+ years. I've been doing web dev for 30 yrs and it's kind of funny to see everyone inventing server side rendering, plain old html and php again. It's a spiral, not a circle and we're a bit wiser and performant this time, but much of it has been done and gone in some way or another.

anhner 5y ago
If you think this is the same as "old html and php again" then you haven't understood the article.
bsuvc 5y ago
> No offense, but you have probably not been in software development for 25+ years. You're wrong about this. You and I see things differently. You see things as never being new and "plain old X and Y again". I try to see things with fresh eyes, yet still with the benefit of my 25+ years in the industry. I try not to make assumptions that limit my thinking about something. Some might call it a beginner's mindset, and it has served me well.
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> I've been doing web dev for 30 yrs That would be impressive, since Mosaic is only 29 years old at this point :) I don't thinking people are reinventing server side rendering. Rediscovering it, perhaps. It has always been here, along with plain old HTML and PHP. The modern toolbox of JS-based toolboxes exists for a reason: all the things that you can't do (or can only do very clunkily) with server-side implementations. That hasn't changed. What people wanted from a web page in 1994 is so utterly different than what many web pages are expected to do now. If it's a spiral, it's one that is spiralling out, not in, as the scope expands significantly.